Hammer tacker/stapler

highup · Nov 29, 2024

I've used the flat bar type stapler for years and I like em.
On heavy felt pad they can bottom out on the pad without sinking the staples low enough.
Previously, I used an Arrow T-50, the old school design.
Any preferences that you guys have? I'm going to need a new stapler when I start a large woven job in the near future.

DarisMulkin · Nov 30, 2024

The old bostich H2B hammer stapler was my favorite for years.

MSLI · Nov 30, 2024

I thinks it’s time someone invented mini-tackless for padding and quality tape for the seams.

C.J. · Nov 30, 2024

MSLI said:
I thinks it’s time someone invented mini-tackless for padding and quality tape for the seams.

I never did like the brown pad tape.

highup · Nov 30, 2024

DarisMulkin said:
The old bostich H2B hammer stapler was my favorite for years.

Is that the one with the crowned staples?

highup · Nov 30, 2024

MSLI said:
I thinks it’s time someone invented mini-tackless for padding and quality tape for the seams.

Maybe an easy to apply double faced tape?
I've been using cheap duct tape for decades, not the heavy stuff.

highup · Nov 30, 2024

I googled the H2B Daris. My brother had one. The staples were harder to find and more expensive, so I bought the "equivalent" Arrow one like grandpa had. I later, switched to the bar style. It's main drawback was the 3/8" max staple length.
It's rare to need anything longer, but on the 40 oz wool pad I'm gonna be installing, the 3/8" might not be enough.
I googled this oldie.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1565376414...insqdrfrm2&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

MSLI · Nov 30, 2024

Duo-fast hammer gun + 7512D staples ( from memory) should work, but maybe

no staples required ?

Some felt is loosy goosy , then staples or flat troweled glue will be a must, and it may take more time than the carpet

Hopefully you have the dimensionally stable type

were a plethora of different methods could be used.

Twenty one years of no stapling or flat troweling mpa on gypcrete and concrete has been successful and provides easy replacement.Most of those years was duck tape seams and sections of the perimeter (not recommended by manufacturers or Daris

) and lately its been duck tape seams and dots of hot glue around perimeter. Notice 2 or 3 different applications of hammer gun staples over the years

and these babies come loose

I believe this improvement could actually be called an ‘ Improved Standard ‘

“ Pad her down now “

C.J. · Nov 30, 2024

How about water based pad adhesive. I used to buy it by the gallon and I would use an applicator bottle to apply it. Fold your pad back and apply the adhesive and drop it back in just as you would for any concrete job. Put a little more if you don’t believe that it works

. It works, it just takes a little time to tack up like any water based adhesive does.

And to the floor covering universe itself, I apologize. One time I had a concrete job and didn’t have any pad adhesive. No biggie cus I had some MPA. I plopped out a big ol blob and troweled out a 2’ wide swath for each pad seam on the entire job. I think I used a 1/16 vinyl notch, but it coulda been bigger

, and I rolled the pad into the adhesive after I dropped it in. Yeah, I got the job done and collected my check, but I didn’t know.

DarisMulkin · Dec 1, 2024

Back when when all commercial jobs were stretch in with hair or fiber pad we used to take gallon buckets of multi purpose and tip them upside down and slide them around the perimeter and seams,. It left a fine film the width of the top of the bucket. Then when done tip the bucket up and pick up remainder of the glue with a trowel.

MSLI · Dec 1, 2024

DarisMulkin said:
Back when when all commercial jobs were stretch in with hair or fiber pad we used to take gallon buckets of multi purpose and tip them upside down and slide them around the perimeter and seams,. It left a fine film the width of the top of the bucket. Then when done tip the bucket up and pick up remainder of the glue with a trowel.

Genius ! ! idea

turning work into cardio fun

MSLI · Dec 1, 2024

C.J. said:
I think I used a 1/16 vinyl notch, but it coulda been bigger, and I rolled the pad into the adhesive after I dropped it in. Yeah,

We all have done it ( overkill ) but when you know it will be your back, and wrists overworking, you change. Thanks for the apology

Taking responsibility feels good

highup · Dec 1, 2024

DarisMulkin said:
Back when when all commercial jobs were stretch in with hair or fiber pad we used to take gallon buckets of multi purpose and tip them upside down and slide them around the perimeter and seams,. It left a fine film the width of the top of the bucket. Then when done tip the bucket up and pick up remainder of the glue with a trowel.

Did you ever have to remove any pad glued down that way?

MSLI · Dec 1, 2024

highup said:
Did you ever have to remove any pad glued down that way?

I have, and I wanted to hug them and buy them a few bruskis……. We did a large commercial type job 17 years ago
( cocky ego disclaimer: I was not hired to run the job, otherwise this would not have happened

….. is there a cocky ego emoji anywhere

) Anywho ! The felt pad seams failed. They attached them using brown so called pad tape

….. I would have smeared mpa on each side
just like the greatest generation Daris did.
There is a time and a place where standards must be met and or improved.

highup · Dec 1, 2024

MSLI said:
I have, and I wanted to hug them and buy them a few bruskis……. We did a large commercial type job 17 years ago
( cocky ego disclaimer: I was not hired to run the job, otherwise this would not have happened ….. is there a cocky ego emoji anywhere ) Anywho ! The felt pad seams failed. They attached them using brown so called pad tape ….. I would have smeared mpa on each side
just like the greatest generation Daris did.
There is a time and a place where standards must be met and or improved.

This is a 1.5 mil home and it's on plywood. No bucket of glue here.

MSLI · Dec 1, 2024

highup said:
This is a 1.5 mil home and it's on plywood. No bucket of glue here.

Are you sure about that. Sometimes hard routined procedures may need fresh eyes.
In order to get those staples to hold through some thick dense felt padding, you may need to go hard core. If the hard core connection brings large dimples in the process, is it possible, in the right light, they will be telegraphed or felt through the thin woven Wilton Carpet.

Sorry ! Signed Mike the OCD improvement manager or is that maniac

highup · Dec 1, 2024

It's not a "thin" carpet for one of this type. A good 3/8 .....plus a mohair

It's dense also.
I'm trying to understand the need for a 12" band of adhesive. Speed would be the only reason and I don't do speed

I'm probably going to be on the job for 3 weeks. I don't put in full days. All 5 bedrooms have seams and there are 10 doorways to tuck to, 5 of them will need some serious ramping and I'm going to do whatever it takes to make the ramping unnoticeable. In the 5 tiled bathroom doorways the tile is approaching 7/8" above the plywood. The tiled doorways, because of the type of tile chosen apparently couldn't be beveled, so I'm tucking to a sharp 90 edge. It's going to be intellesting, velly, velly intellesting with this carpet.

MSLI · Dec 2, 2024

highup said:
I'm trying to understand the need for a 12" band of adhesive. Speed would be the only reason and I don't do speed

Sounds like one of the typical high end jobs we use to do around Philadelphia
( Go Birds

) It’s a Randy job

and I can’t wait to see photos of the crafty ramp. Probably some sort of layered structure that, if possible, can be spread out over a large portion of the area.

As for the pad glue, (cheep mpa) rather than staples…..It’s probably totally not necessary. I was picturing a thick 40 ounce felt, made thicker than usual and sometimes it just laughs at the staples. Here you are pounding away at it and it’s barely holding it down….. In that case, I would break out a 6” spackle knife or the short end of the trowel and smear some glue….. Have fun High, how long is the commute ?

DarisMulkin · Dec 2, 2024

Used to be a formula for how far you had to feather out depending on the thickness of the ramp. Can't remember it though.

C.J. · Dec 2, 2024

1:12 is standard but you’re gonna see that.

https://ada-compliance.com/

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