Ferguson

[Floorist]

Don't mean this as political, but I have been thru near the Ferguson area in the past and have worked in similar areas in KC.

To give anyone who has never been to an area like Ferguson, what it is like on a daily basis. I worked in a similar area in KC and was in an area near Ferguson years ago.
When you walk down the sidewalk, you step over passed out winos.
Pizza Hut, Dominos, etc. don't deliver because the drivers get robbed at gun point.
Residents must pick up mail at the post office because carriers kept getting assaulted.
Ambulances won't go in without two police cars as escorts. The officers from the first car go in with the ambulance crew and the second car guards the equipment.
People who can't find a way to move, only venture out in daylight.
Outside people who come in to work are armed and still leave before dark.
And this is what the police deal with daily.

I finally just refused to work in areas like that. You see them in every city.

 

[Dan]

I delivered some strip flooring to a home in Ferguson. Once.

 

[DarisMulkin]

Most every major city has areas you describe Rusty. Ours here I wouldn't go into after 12 am. Most of the bad guys were sleeping off the night before in the mornings.
Did have one of our installers get proposition twice in one day though. We always took our vans in the house with us so we could keep and Eye on them.

Daris

 

[Floorist]

I went in armed Daris, and Missouri didn't have concealed carry back then.

 

[Incognito]

I've worked in plenty of places like that and it's not fun but I can't really pick and choose. I will take whatever precautions I need to to be safe and secure. Mainly I would worry about my truck and tools. After work in the olden days I'd go straight to the corner liquor store to grab a cold beer for the ride home. Sometimes in certain corners they'd look at me like they never saw a white person before and I suspect they weren't seeing too many WALKING, parking the car and patronizing their local businesses.

But hell, it was quitting time and I wasn't going to get on the freeway without a cold beer in my hand. I'm not a big scary dude by any stretch and never was but I still feel sorry for any man who would stand between me and that cold beer at the end of my shift.

God forbid.

 

[Nick]

When i did night work in the bowling allets in NY, especially the Bronz. The boss would pass out guns to everyone.

 

[highup]

Don't mean this as political, but I have been thru near the Ferguson area in the past and have worked in similar areas in KC.

To give anyone who has never been to an area like Ferguson, what it is like on a daily basis. I worked in a similar area in KC and was in an area near Ferguson years ago.
When you walk down the sidewalk, you step over passed out winos.
Pizza Hut, Dominos, etc. don't deliver because the drivers get robbed at gun point.
Residents must pick up mail at the post office because carriers kept getting assaulted.
Ambulances won't go in without two police cars as escorts. The officers from the first car go in with the ambulance crew and the second car guards the equipment.
People who can't find a way to move, only venture out in daylight.
Outside people who come in to work are armed and still leave before dark.
And this is what the police deal with daily.

I finally just refused to work in areas like that. You see them in every city.

Mon and dad taught me:

Don't steal.

If a police officer asks you to do something, obey his orders.

Don't punch the officer in the face and go for his gun.

Those kids are a product of their surroundings and conditions. If the parents don't instill in their kids, the same things that mine did, this sad thing will continue to happen.
Best thing after this uprising is for business owners to relocate to another city or state and let the place become a barren wasteland.
I'm totally naive to conditions like you describe. I haven't even locked my door for 40 years.
I wish there was an easy fix to the situation in Ferguson. ......realistically, I can't see that mob/thug mentality changing.

 

[Floorist]

Mon and dad taught me:

Don't steal.

If a police officer asks you to do something, obey his orders.

Don't punch the officer in the face and go for his gun.

Those kids are a product of their surroundings and conditions. If the parents don't instill in their kids, the same things that mine did, this sad thing will continue to happen.
Best thing after this uprising is for business owners to relocate to another city or state and let the place become a barren wasteland.
I'm totally naive to conditions like you describe. I haven't even locked my door for 40 years.
I wish there was an easy fix to the situation in Ferguson. ......realistically, I can't see that mob/thug mentality changing.

East St Louis area has been that way since the 60s. It just gradually spread into Ferguson.

 

[DarisMulkin]

Kind of curious what happened to Sharpton and Jackson during all of this.
I wonder also if anything will be done with the looters that faces are on camera and the ones tipping the police car last night. One girls face is clear as a bell.
Bet not.

Daris

 

[Floorist]

I'd shoot the first one throwing a Molotov cocktail and see if they scattered. Bet they would.

 

[havasu]

I'd throw a job offer at them and see if they scattered. Bet they would.

I fixed it for you!

 

[DarisMulkin]

I've been watching the goings on, on tv. The news channels really are stirring up the pot. Most are putting out trash to keep it brewing. I see that Nancy Grace is going to put her 2 cents into it tonight with the parents. That's another one that should have sock or SOMETHING stuffed in her mouth. They just keep stirring the pot.

Daris

 

[Kyure]

This can't get better with the times printing his address. Makes for good television.

 

[Incognito]

12 shots though guys?

I barely have experience with guns. My dad let me shoot his 22 caliber rifle in the woods when we went camping a few times. I had BB guns and pellet rifles. I own a Mossburgh 500 shotgun that I've practiced with a half a dozen times and took my boys to the local shooting range for fun. But I'm far from the outdoorsman/gun enthusiast and surely no expert on policing or self defense. I heard the prosecutors version of the witness testimony and the accused police officer interview on Fox News. The cop seemed very credible.

But 12 shots? How the f$%# can that be------meaning the dead dude was STILL coming at it------still a threat?

So the bizarre circumstances are how I would attribute all this rage in the minority communities. It's an UNBELIEVABLE story. But that doesn't mean the cop is a bad guy or targeted the kid because he was black. The kid was WAY too much of a threat to this cop and the cop does have that right to self defense.

And HE has the gun.

 

[Floorist]

I know the first two were fired while they were wrestling in the car and went through the door.

 

[Nick]

I'd shoot the first one throwing a Molotov cocktail and see if they scattered. Bet they would.

I'd shoot them just for kicks .

 

[Nick]

12 shots though guys?

I barely have experience with guns. My dad let me shoot his 22 caliber rifle in the woods when we went camping a few times. I had BB guns and pellet rifles. I own a Mossburgh 500 shotgun that I've practiced with a half a dozen times and took my boys to the local shooting range for fun. But I'm far from the outdoorsman/gun enthusiast and surely no expert on policing or self defense. I heard the prosecutors version of the witness testimony and the accused police officer interview on Fox News. The cop seemed very credible.

But 12 shots? How the f$%# can that be------meaning the dead dude was STILL coming at it------still a threat?

So the bizarre circumstances are how I would attribute all this rage in the minority communities. It's an UNBELIEVABLE story. But that doesn't mean the cop is a bad guy or targeted the kid because he was black. The kid was WAY too much of a threat to this cop and the cop does have that right to self defense.

And HE has the gun.

If the jury asked me why i shot him 12 times , I'd tell them that is because the gun only holds 12 bullets.

Tired of the media showing his baby photo. The dude is a thug .

 

[havasu]

I had a cop friend who shot a bad guy 28 times with his 9MM, and continued coming at him, and was still able to shoot the cop with a shotgun.

This time, the thug was continuing to advance until the cop shot him in the head. This was confirmed by 3 different autopsies.

 

[Incognito]

If the jury asked me why i shot him 12 times , I'd tell them that is because the gun only holds 12 bullets.

Tired of the media showing his baby photo. The dude is a thug .

He outweighed the cop by 80 lbs. And that cop was not a shrimp, just an average size guy. I'm not questioning the self-defense rights of this officer. Obviously he has every right to self defense.

I'm trying to understand the reaction of the protestors and I can't see the kid coming toward him in a threatening manner after so many gun shots. Doesn't make a lick of sense from a feasibility/plausibility standpoint. You can't really expect the cop after such a trauma to have a really accurate recount of events. This shit went down in a matter of a couple or three minutes tops.

 

[Incognito]

I had a cop friend who shot a bad guy 28 times with his 9MM, and continued coming at him, and was still able to shoot the cop with a shotgun.

This time, the thug was continuing to advance until the cop shot him in the head. This was confirmed by 3 different autopsies.

Crazy things happen in real life that are near incomprehensible. So that's part of what I'm saying about this explanation not making sense. Doesn't mean it's not POSSIBLE to have happened exactly as the cop says. Just far fetched like many, many other things we know have happened but are amazed by.

I think they said 8 of the shots fired hit the kid who died here.

I used to drink with a dude who was superhuman size, drinking ability and loved to go to bars, get drunk and look for fights. Anyways, he ran up against a bunch of dudes one night who put 9 shots into him. He still put a couple of them in the hospital and really hurt a few others. The sued him for medical costs and suffering. The judge threw it out of court because it was 5 guys against one and the one guy was unarmed and suffered multiple gunshot wounds.

That dude loved to show off his bullet scars as if he were a decorated war veteran.