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highup · Aug 31, 2024

I've used this angle assist stretcher setup for... 35 years.
Yeah, yeah, yeah....... I'm not not poking no holes in somebody's nice, new, nylon carpet.

C.J. · Sep 2, 2024

Better you than me cus I woulda poked 20 holes in that rug and I wouldn’ta thought twice about it. Stingers were made for guys like me that don’t want to move your furniture any more than we absolutely have to

I do like the creativity of that angle brace. I never did drop the money for a hallway/ corner stretcher. I think I carried a chunk of 4x4 for those days.

highup · Sep 2, 2024

The office has French doors and I had to stretch both angled doorways twice.
Once prior the the click laminate installation, then again after it was installed.
5 doorways in all.
I had to go ahead of the LVP installer because he was on another install and the customer had a move in date...
I even went ahead of the guy that installed the new baseboards.

MSLI · Sep 24, 2024

highup said:
I've used this angle assist stretcher setup for... 35 years.

Amazing

you are the man who needs to teach the next generation.

of conservative installers.

Floorist · Sep 25, 2024

Used a stinger in public housing for years. Carpet got changed every few months anyway.

MSLI · Sep 25, 2024

Floorist said:
Used a stinger in public housing for years. Carpet got changed every few months anyway.

My latest phrase with helper / Subs:
If you’re gonna cheat, cheat good

My example:
If you’re gonna go over the old pad because it feels great, at least cut out the nasty stains.

What’s your example ?

Floorist · Sep 25, 2024

MSLI said:
My latest phrase with helper / Subs:
If you’re gonna cheat, cheat good

My example:
If you’re gonna go over the old pad because it feels great, at least cut out the nasty stains.

What’s your example ?

Public housing. 300-400 yards a a week. Per their rules, go over piss soaked tack strip, use the piss soaked pad. All drop rooms. Even halls were drops. Paid more than regular jobs.

C.J. · Sep 25, 2024

There are times and places when a stinger is acceptable and times and places when it is not. Cheap carpet in a dumpy rental that doesn’t pay shit is always an acceptable situation to use a stinger. New construction falls into the same boat. Nothing personal, it’s just business. Call it shrinkflation if you must. Just remember to spread the nap before you sink the spike and don’t forget to hammer the lump afterwards.

Floorist · Sep 25, 2024

C.J. said:
There are times and places when a stinger is acceptable and times and places when it is not. Cheap carpet in a dumpy rental that doesn’t pay shit is always an acceptable situation to use a stinger. New construction falls into the same boat. Nothing personal, it’s just business. Call it shrinkflation if you must. Just remember to spread the nap before you sink the spike and don’t forget to hammer the lump afterwards.

If you use the stinger right, there is no lump.

MSLI · Sep 25, 2024

Floorist said:
Public housing. 300-400 yards a a week. Per their rules, go over piss soaked tack strip, use the piss soaked pad. All drop rooms. Even halls were drops. Paid more than regular jobs.

Rusty let’s take a deeper look at those rules and see if a ‘ Good Cheat ‘ on top of a cheat is possible

?

…… WHY ? ….. Why not ? ….. why not carry a 12.00 can of spray kilz and cover the piss tackless with a quick semi seal coat ? ….. Also ! If you’re being forced to install over piss pad, is it possible to at least treat that pad with an enzyme ? ….When we cheat or are mostly forced to cheat, should we grasp onto some type of goodness to mitigate against the full on badness ?

C.J. · Sep 25, 2024

Floorist said:
If you use the stinger right, there is no lump.

Soft particle board punks up as the spike sinks in. Lots of particle board in the PNW, they eat that shit for breakfast there.

MSLI said:
When we cheat or are mostly forced to cheat, should we grasp onto some type of goodness to mitigate against the full on badness ?

Don’t know if cheating is the right word. Sometimes we are simply meeting the customers price point. Good, better, best type situation. If you want a top notch install, you gotta pay for it.

highup · Sep 25, 2024

Floorist said:
Used a stinger in public housing for years. Carpet got changed every few months anyway.

How about over Gypcrete?
.....oh, yes.
...some people do, but I never tracked them down. One reason I'm not in jail for 20.

highup · Sep 25, 2024

C.J. said:
Soft particle board punks up as the spike sinks in. Lots of particle board in the PNW, they eat that shit for breakfast there.

Don’t know if cheating is the right word. Sometimes we are simply meeting the customers price point. Good, better, best type situation. If you want a top notch install, you gotta pay for it.

...but you know me. Price point doesn't enter the equation.

I guy I knew calculated $ per hour on every job because "GITTER DONE" was superior to quality. If he slowed down and finished his 4 day job at 3:00 instead of 4:30 that raised his $ per hr rate.
On a regular work week, is it that much better to finish one of those days at 3:00 instead of 5:00
I'd rather spend those 2 hours doing nicer work and getting a nice compliment when it's done.
......Having someone tell me
"I can't believe how fast you got this done"
(It's never happened in 40 years

),
...would be a total insult to me.

Floorist · Sep 25, 2024

highup said:
How about over Gypcrete?
.....oh, yes.
...some people do, but I never tracked them down. One reason I'm not in jail for 20.

Never could get it to work on gypcrete.

highup · Sep 25, 2024

C.J. said:
There are times and places when a stinger is acceptable and times and places when it is not. Cheap carpet in a dumpy rental that doesn’t pay shit is always an acceptable situation to use a stinger. New construction falls into the same boat. Nothing personal, it’s just business. Call it shrinkflation if you must. Just remember to spread the nap before you sink the spike and don’t forget to hammer the lump afterwards.

I've rarely worked in rentals owned by slumlords, so that's part of the reason I don't mess with stingers. Once tubes are set up, you do an entire wall..... Then drop a tube and work the second wall. I see minutes of time savings, not hours anyhow.
I can recall using/borrowing a stinger 2 times, just offhand. More possibly. We don't get track homes around here either. New homes are custom homes of good quality.
When appropriate, yeah, they have their place.
.....I can borrow one and still brag about not owning one

highup · Sep 25, 2024

Floorist said:
Never could get it to work on gypcrete.

It just leaves moon sized craters full of sand.

DarisMulkin · Sep 26, 2024

At one time there were trailer house companies that promoted the stinger. Even had pictures of it posted in the house. Most were of the double pin one, which I had never used. I was the first guy in my area to have a stinger. But then came a time in which when on vac'y that my stepson used it on a pencil point plush and I had to go out and repair like 72 holes that it left or buy the job. END OF STINGER!

highup · Sep 26, 2024

I did a repair in a walk in closet. The lady blamed the loops that were caught in her vacuum cleaner on their cat.
.....I didn't tell her that the cat also poked a hole in the plywood.

....I just repaired it and left.

C.J. · Sep 26, 2024

DarisMulkin said:
At one time there were trailer house companies that promoted the stinger. Even had pictures of it posted in the house. Most were of the double pin one, which I had never used. I was the first guy in my area to have a stinger. But then came a time in which when on vac'y that my stepson used it on a pencil point plush and I had to go out and repair like 72 holes that it left or buy the job. END OF STINGER!

You ever been stretching a double wide with poles and have an entire wall move? I have. From then on I only used a stinger in manufactured homes.

MSLI · Sep 26, 2024

C.J. said:
You ever been stretching a double wide with poles and have an entire wall move? I have. From then on I only used a stinger in manufactured homes.

Good Cheat ! Smart Cheat ! ….. I wonder if there’s a compromise

…. The Michael Heck or is it Hett ? Deadman assistant method….. Remember when he use to write an article in FLOOR MAG.
This one was about stretching off an 8’ or so, glass sliding door. His special awareness told him to use a special made ‘ Dead Man ‘ along the wall to prevent any damage and at the same time get a strong power stretch

…. I wonder if that could work against modular home walls too ? …. Remember though, you need an alive man on the dead man

to get good holding power.

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