Cookin' da books, NOAA style

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Wow who would have guest this coulda happened?
(hint....me)
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2017/02/07/federal-scientist-cooked-climate-change-books-ahead-obama-presentation-whistle-blower-charges.html
Hope the Prez issues the poor fella full time body guards. I also hope some NASA heads roll out the door without severance packages.

 

[Floorist]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4238806/US-Congress-launches-probe-climate-data.html

And now a congressional investigation into the made-up data promoting climate change.

 

[havasu]

Seems they were just keeping their pockets full by any means necessary.

 

[highup]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4238806/US-Congress-launches-probe-climate-data.html

And now a congressional investigation into the made-up data promoting climate change.

Good for them. I couldn't get the page to load but this one did. Same stuff I assume.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/28/300-scientists-want-noaa-to-stop-hiding-its-global-warming-data/

 

[Floorist]

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/16/propoganda-top-mit-climate-scientist-trashes-97-consensus-claim/

MIT climatologist disagrees with man-made global warming.

 

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http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/16/propoganda-top-mit-climate-scientist-trashes-97-consensus-claim/

MIT climatologist disagrees with man-made global warming.

Damn............... I'm one of those 97%

 

[Floorist]

It is becoming clear that not only do many scientists dispute the asserted global warming crisis, but these skeptical scientists may indeed form a scientific consensus.

Don’t look now, but maybe a scientific consensus exists concerning global warming after all. Only 36 percent of geoscientists and engineers believe that humans are creating a global warming crisis, according to a survey reported in the peer-reviewed Organization Studies. By contrast, a strong majority of the 1,077 respondents believe that nature is the primary cause of recent global warming and/or that future global warming will not be a very serious problem.

The survey results show geoscientists (also known as earth scientists) and engineers hold similar views as meteorologists. Two recent surveys of meteorologists (summarized here and here) revealed similar skepticism of alarmist global warming claims.

According to the newly published survey of geoscientists and engineers, merely 36 percent of respondents fit the “Comply with Kyoto” model. The scientists in this group “express the strong belief that climate change is happening, that it is not a normal cycle of nature, and humans are the main or central cause.”

 

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Rusty, Rusty, Rusty.............. what are we gonna do with you. Mankind causes everything that's bad, probably volcano eruptions and tsunami's too if you get the right "scientists" to say it. If they say it, it's true.

 

[Floorist]

Find global warming on this chart, I can't.

 

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I wish they had written the time chart different. It says years before present (1950 AD) but it ends at 95. ....the chart ends at what looks like or should be the current date.
The temperature periods labeled as warming are cooler.

 

[Floorist]

different one

 

[highup]

Give it up Rusty, they are going to claim that the cooling trend is caused by man made warming.
That's why they re-named global warming and call it climate change.......... so all their bases are covered.
This winter and spring has been consistently 3 to 5 degrees cooler on a per month average according to my electric utility bill. .......wettest winter and highest snowfall levels in decades in the west this year .......and it's all caused by man made climate change.

 

[Floorist]

The Paris agreement

look at the details of what it'll do.

All it will do is increase our taxes, while giving China 10-20 years to do what they want.

And the result? To decrease global warming by .1% by 2100? Really?

Basically, just seemed like more things for us to pay for being regulated by the world, while the taxpayers get nothing out of it. Yet, billions get sent to other countries and they profit off it in the name of "global warming research". Out of the 122 countries that have signed, 9 have spent money. The US has spent $500 million. China and India have spent nothing. Russia has not ratified it. It is an agreement that is heavily weighted toward the US paying everyone's way, again.

 

[Floorist]

"My colleagues at The Heritage Foundation estimated that the requirement that the U.S. reduce its carbon emissions by almost 30 percent over the next decade would cost 400,000 manufacturing, construction, oil and gas and coal mining jobs and force the typical family of four to pay $30,000 more in electric utility bills over the next decade. So much for helping working class Americans. Paris is nothing more than a very regressive tax on the poor and middle class.

Even that cost might be worth paying if there were any chance the treaty would work. But we already know China and India - the two largest polluters - are doubling down on coal. They are building scores of new coal plants as we close ours down. How is that good for the environment?

Meanwhile, Europe too is turning away from the very green energy policies they now want to foist upon America"

 

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We finally have a president with 'nads. Great speech. The media and Hollywood are going ballistic.
The worlds alarmists are upset because the worlds largest piggy bank left the room. Made my day.
The media is unusually quiet about Trump saying the door is open and he's rolling on renegotiating the deal............ so it's not like he is turning a deaf ear. He just sees that once we get locked in to the agreement, other countries can vote to tell us what we can and can't do. Very smart move.
We now have the choice to make even bolder regulations if we chose to do so....... not that we will, but the deck is in our hands. We still have the current environmental regulations, we still have the EPA, we will still fine polluters. ...asbestos pipe insulation and brake linings aren't coming back, so it's not like we are reverting back to the 50's. I can't believe the insanity and people coming unglued over nothing.
(OK, ..yes I can ) It's going to be good entertainment listening to the doom and gloom and seeing the teary eyed actors and singers falling apart emotionally.

 

[Hardwood]

You know this thread is way too logical to be seen my most that are going nuts in the news and on Facebook. We don't have to pay the other countries/people of the world to take care of our part of it. Without their 2cents worth into our affairs.

 

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Here's one of the best, and most level headed thinkers you will find on climate and environmental issues. He doesn't sing and he's not related to Leonardo DiCaprio. He ought to be heading a department in Trumps cabinet.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2017/03/trumps-rollback-of-epa-overreach-what-no-one-is-talking-about/

 

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You know this thread is way too logical to be seen my most that are going nuts in the news and on Facebook. We don't have to pay the other countries/people of the world to take care of our part of it. Without their 2cents worth into our affairs.

Too many emotional non-thinkers and not enough people that research or question what they are spoon fed daily. Their is evidence on both sides but you have to go out and look for it.

 

[Floorist]

Every climate model that has been made has overestimated the temperature increase.

 

[Floorist]

These scientists have said that the observed warming is more likely to be attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

Khabibullo Abdusamatov, astrophysicist at Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences[74][75]
Sallie Baliunas, retired astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[76][77][78]
Timothy Ball, historical climatologist, and retired professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg[79][80][81]
Ian Clark, hydrogeologist, professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[82][83]
Chris de Freitas, associate professor, School of Geography, Geology and Environmental Science, University of Auckland[84][85]
David Douglass, solid-state physicist, professor, Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Rochester[86][87]
Don Easterbrook, emeritus professor of geology, Western Washington University[88][89]
William Happer, physicist specializing in optics and spectroscopy; emeritus professor, Princeton University[90][91]
Ole Humlum, professor of geology at the University of Oslo[92][93]
Wibjörn Karlén, professor emeritus of geography and geology at the University of Stockholm.[94][95]
William Kininmonth, meteorologist, former Australian delegate to World Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology[96][97]
David Legates, associate professor of geography and director of the Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware[98][99]
Anthony Lupo, professor of atmospheric science at the University of Missouri[100][101]
Tad Murty, oceanographer; adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa[102][103]
Tim Patterson, paleoclimatologist and professor of geology at Carleton University in Canada.[104][105]
Ian Plimer, professor emeritus of mining geology, the University of Adelaide.[106][107]
Arthur B. Robinson, American politician, biochemist and former faculty member at the University of California, San Diego[108][109]
Murry Salby, atmospheric scientist, former professor at Macquarie University and University of Colorado[110][111]
Nicola Scafetta, research scientist in the physics department at Duke University[112][113][114]
Tom Segalstad, geologist; associate professor at University of Oslo[115][116]
Nir Shaviv, professor of physics focusing on astrophysics and climate science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem[117][118]
Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences at the University of Virginia[119][120][121][122]
Willie Soon, astrophysicist, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics[123][124]
Roy Spencer, meteorologist; principal research scientist, University of Alabama in Huntsville[125][126]
Henrik Svensmark, physicist, Danish National Space Center[127][128]
George H. Taylor, retired director of the Oregon Climate Service at Oregon State University[129][130]
Jan Veizer, environmental geochemist, professor emeritus from University of Ottawa[131][132]
Scientists arguing that the cause of global warming is unknown

These scientists have said that no principal cause can be ascribed to the observed rising temperatures, whether man-made or natural.

Syun-Ichi Akasofu, retired professor of geophysics and founding director of the International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska Fairbanks.[133][134]
Claude Allègre, French politician; geochemist, emeritus professor at Institute of Geophysics (Paris).[135][136]
Robert Balling, a professor of geography at Arizona State University.[137][138]
Pål Brekke, solar astrophycisist, senior advisor Norwegian Space Centre.[139][140]
John Christy, professor of atmospheric science and director of the Earth System Science Center at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, contributor to several IPCC reports.[141][142][143]
Petr Chylek, space and remote sensing sciences researcher, Los Alamos National Laboratory.[144][145]
David Deming, geology professor at the University of Oklahoma.[146][147]
Stanley B. Goldenberg a meteorologist with NOAA/AOML's Hurricane Research Division [148] [149]
Vincent R. Gray, New Zealand physical chemist with expertise in coal ashes[150][151]
Keith E. Idso, botanist, former adjunct professor of biology at Maricopa County Community College District and the vice president of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change[152][153]
Antonino Zichichi, emeritus professor of nuclear physics at the University of Bologna and president of the World Federation of Scientists.[154][155]
Kary Mullis, 1993 Nobel Laureate in Chemistry