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I admit I skimmed through some of this because there was a lot of catching up. I haven't done a lot of research on climate change (and by that, I mean I haven't really researched at all).

While I do know and accept that there are some things that humans do that destroy animal habitats, poison the air with smog and so forth, and poison the ground-- I still question the impact that humans have on the earth as a whole.

Especially after the wiki-leak e-mails about global warming came out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

They were willing to destroy research and evidence that did not support their propaganda. That makes me not trust them. It's akin to the big corporations who know their products were killing employees/consumers for years and lied about it. They just want to push their own agendas.

I would like to get solar power going where I live if I could afford to get it set up if only it meant I wouldn't be stuck with my crappy power company that charges up the wazoo after power surges from their repeatedly fry stuff at my house and make it so it requires more of an energy draw to run things until the lines get fixed. But, I'm still not happy with the battery/storage options and the prices to get things done. Harnessing the power is not the hard part-- it is storing it safely and efficiently that seems to be the issue.

I don't for a second believe that anything Trump does is even remotely for the good of the country. He only cares about lining his own pockets and boosting his ego. Now, that doesn't mean I think that everything he does is wrong. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

That said, it would be nice if we did make a little more effort to not poison the oceans and ground. The fracking and leaking oil pipelines and so forth are bad for everyone-- but it's not on a global level. I think that we have other issues that would kill us long before climate change could. And just look at how much damage one erupting volcano does. Far more than we could do in a short amount of time. But again, I don't think that is an excuse to not try to advance our technology and try to make the air cleaner for our own breathing.

I hope I'm making sense. My brain is not fully awake right now.
 
A couple years ago

"20 climate scientists are asking President Barack Obama to prosecute people who disagree with them on the science behind man-made global warming."

They wanted to do away with free speech.
 
I admit I skimmed through some of this because there was a lot of catching up. I haven't done a lot of research on climate change (and by that, I mean I haven't really researched at all).

While I do know and accept that there are some things that humans do that destroy animal habitats, poison the air with smog and so forth, and poison the ground-- I still question the impact that humans have on the earth as a whole.

Especially after the wiki-leak e-mails about global warming came out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy

They were willing to destroy research and evidence that did not support their propaganda. That makes me not trust them. It's akin to the big corporations who know their products were killing employees/consumers for years and lied about it. They just want to push their own agendas.

I would like to get solar power going where I live if I could afford to get it set up if only it meant I wouldn't be stuck with my crappy power company that charges up the wazoo after power surges from their repeatedly fry stuff at my house and make it so it requires more of an energy draw to run things until the lines get fixed. But, I'm still not happy with the battery/storage options and the prices to get things done. Harnessing the power is not the hard part-- it is storing it safely and efficiently that seems to be the issue.

I don't for a second believe that anything Trump does is even remotely for the good of the country. He only cares about lining his own pockets and boosting his ego. Now, that doesn't mean I think that everything he does is wrong. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

That said, it would be nice if we did make a little more effort to not poison the oceans and ground. The fracking and leaking oil pipelines and so forth are bad for everyone-- but it's not on a global level. I think that we have other issues that would kill us long before climate change could. And just look at how much damage one erupting volcano does. Far more than we could do in a short amount of time. But again, I don't think that is an excuse to not try to advance our technology and try to make the air cleaner for our own breathing.

I hope I'm making sense. My brain is not fully awake right now.
If you had 3, 5 or 10 billion dollars, would you run for president and subject your entire family to being followed 24/7 by dozens of secret service agents? They follow you everywhere, and every trip you take be it to school, shopping, traveling, hiking, to work.......... they are followed everywhere and lose the privacy they once had. This will happen for many years into the future. ...all this simply to pad your pockets? I hear that way to often, like a mantra. "he does it to line his own pockets"
The media is on him 24/7 with 100% negativity.......... well, the media didn't want him to win. Hollywood didn't want him to win. Well, they didn't vote him into office but they totally control what is said about him. 24/7 anti Trump.... they can't find any other "news"? (they can, but they have an agenda and they are lazy to not look for other stories)
Take for instance that rather gross image of Kathy Griffin holding Trumps bloody head. Alec Baldwin comes to Cathy's defense shortly afterwards. I did a google search.
I typed "abc news Alec Baldwin defends Griffin"
then "nbc news Alec Baldwin defends Griffin"
then "cbs news Alec Baldwin defends Griffin"
Every other news source on the planet came up, but nothing from the big three. Why do you suppose that is? I did that search two different days. That was big news.
OK, lets try this again. This time, Rush Limbaugh takes a selfie while holding Obama's bloodied head on a stick.
....... ya think the news scenario would be a wee bit different?
I watched 60 minutes last weekend. They did a story on Russia's 'disappearing' news reporters. Seems that people who speak out against Putin can end up poisoned or shot to death. I's happened a lot over the years.
One of the first sentences spoken as the story began, mentioned that Trump, during his campaign, said Putin was a strong leader. Then they immediately went forward with the actual story.
Why did they bring Trumps name into this story? They only mentioned his name once, and it added nothing whatsoever to the story or it's content.
They did it because they don't like him. What a better way to begin a news story, right?
Next story was about the fantastic success of the Chobani yogurt founder.... it was wonderful rags to riches story and the founder is generous and a philanthropist. Really nice and entertaining story.
...at the end, they injected a negative comment by a "conservative" talk show host, or media person, I don't recall.
Why did they mention that? They don't like conservatives, so like the Trump comment, they included a subliminal thought into the story.
If you pay close attention, this type of thing is quite common. They sneak in or make unrelated/unnecessary comments into their news and talk shows daily. It's not by accident. Listen closely and you will learn to spot these unrelated comments quite easily. They are always anti conservative comments.
That said, I'm not conservative. I'm a registered Democrat, a middle of the roader.
Trump rolled back some of Obamas recent environmental agendas, like eliminating coal power. He didn't revert the environmental standards back to the early 1900's. We're still squeaky clean and coal miners still have their livelihood. Coal is slowly being replaced by natural gas, so the market will change as other sources become economically viable.
There again, the media is spewing doom and gloom. We're doin' fine.

You got it right on the global warming thing. They have an agenda. We might be causing some of the global warming, but there is massive disagreement on how much is to blame on our own behavior. There is no absolute proof that we are the main contributor, it just a wild guess and self blame makes for an easy answer.
15 to 20 years with almost no warming, and with CO2 going "through the roof" Hard to explain isn't it? (doctor the books) :D
 
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High, you mention Rush. He started as a sports reporter for the KC Star. A friend of mine, who has since passed, said that none of the other reporters liked Rush. He said that Rush could not write, so he didn't last long in that job. But they talked about how he was so arrogant.
 
highup, Trump was already famous before he became president. He was already in the public eye and had lost a lot of the freedom he would have had if he'd remained low profile. This is just my opinion, but I don't think he expected to get as much scrutiny as he's receiving. I think he thought that people were going to kiss his butt and do what he said. He seemed surprised by the reality and he's reacted quite badly to it.

I see the same argument about actors who become very famous and about how they knew what they would be sacrificing in terms of privacy-- but a lot of them don't realize it until it happens.

Don't get me wrong, I think most-- if not all-- presidents do have some self-serving motives. Some more than others. Carter was another one who just wanted to get kickbacks and boost his ego-- and we are still suffering from the damage he did as president.

Trump has already used his position to benefit his own company and broke the anti-nepotism rules for federal government. He is gaining more money and getting free vacations at taxpayer expense. Yes, he's under a lot of scrutiny and can't move about as freely as he once did, but he also benefits greatly from his position. Meanwhile the contractors he stiffed on building the Trump Hotel are still suffering. I think that Trump-- like many high-powered CEOs is a sociopath/psychopath who does not have empathy for other human beings and values $ and popularity/fame over the good of the planet and the people on it. Like Henry VIII he demonizes people who disagree with him, although he hasn't yet been able to pass laws to criminalize criticism of the king (and I believe he wants to be a king and considers himself to be one in his own fantasy world), but he has expressed the desire to do so. I don't think the man is evil and I know the media makes mountains out of molehills about things, but I still very much doubt that he gives a crap about anyone other than his own family and friends/allies.

So, maybe pulling out of the agreement was the right thing, but I think he did it for the wrong reasons.
 
highup, Trump was already famous before he became president. He was already in the public eye and had lost a lot of the freedom he would have had if he'd remained low profile. This is just my opinion, but I don't think he expected to get as much scrutiny as he's receiving. I think he thought that people were going to kiss his butt and do what he said. He seemed surprised by the reality and he's reacted quite badly to it.

I see the same argument about actors who become very famous and about how they knew what they would be sacrificing in terms of privacy-- but a lot of them don't realize it until it happens.

Don't get me wrong, I think most-- if not all-- presidents do have some self-serving motives. Some more than others. Carter was another one who just wanted to get kickbacks and boost his ego-- and we are still suffering from the damage he did as president.
Trump has already used his position to benefit his own company and broke the anti-nepotism rules for federal government. He is gaining more money and getting free vacations at taxpayer expense. Yes, he's under a lot of scrutiny and can't move about as freely as he once did, but he also benefits greatly from his position. Meanwhile the contractors he stiffed on building the Trump Hotel are still suffering. I think that Trump-- like many high-powered CEOs is a sociopath/psychopath who does not have empathy for other human beings and values $ and popularity/fame over the good of the planet and the people on it. Like Henry VIII he demonizes people who disagree with him, although he hasn't yet been able to pass laws to criminalize criticism of the king (and I believe he wants to be a king and considers himself to be one in his own fantasy world), but he has expressed the desire to do so. I don't think the man is evil and I know the media makes mountains out of molehills about things, but I still very much doubt that he gives a crap about anyone other than his own family and friends/allies.

So, maybe pulling out of the agreement was the right thing, but I think he did it for the wrong reasons.

And so is the way of politions: Ya for me and screw you.

Daris
 
High, you mention Rush. He started as a sports reporter for the KC Star. A friend of mine, who has since passed, said that none of the other reporters liked Rush. He said that Rush could not write, so he didn't last long in that job. But they talked about how he was so arrogant.
He still doesn't write. He runs without a teleprompter. He just talks.
I'm not defending Rush. Just sayin the main media is extremely biased , but they write and word things discretely... I mentioned "subliminal"
Rush on the other hand is die hard conservative and he is well known for that. Everyone knows that.
The main press ought to be unbiased, but they aren't. Most people think they are.
 
highup, Trump was already famous before he became president. He was already in the public eye and had lost a lot of the freedom he would have had if he'd remained low profile. This is just my opinion, but I don't think he expected to get as much scrutiny as he's receiving. I think he thought that people were going to kiss his butt and do what he said. He seemed surprised by the reality and he's reacted quite badly to it.

I see the same argument about actors who become very famous and about how they knew what they would be sacrificing in terms of privacy-- but a lot of them don't realize it until it happens.

Don't get me wrong, I think most-- if not all-- presidents do have some self-serving motives. Some more than others. Carter was another one who just wanted to get kickbacks and boost his ego-- and we are still suffering from the damage he did as president.

Trump has already used his position to benefit his own company and broke the anti-nepotism rules for federal government. He is gaining more money and getting free vacations at taxpayer expense. Yes, he's under a lot of scrutiny and can't move about as freely as he once did, but he also benefits greatly from his position. Meanwhile the contractors he stiffed on building the Trump Hotel are still suffering. I think that Trump-- like many high-powered CEOs is a sociopath/psychopath who does not have empathy for other human beings and values $ and popularity/fame over the good of the planet and the people on it. Like Henry VIII he demonizes people who disagree with him, although he hasn't yet been able to pass laws to criminalize criticism of the king (and I believe he wants to be a king and considers himself to be one in his own fantasy world), but he has expressed the desire to do so. I don't think the man is evil and I know the media makes mountains out of molehills about things, but I still very much doubt that he gives a crap about anyone other than his own family and friends/allies.

So, maybe pulling out of the agreement was the right thing, but I think he did it for the wrong reasons.
Can't disagree to much with that. He's used to making decisions and getting things done. He must be going nuts realizing the speed that government operates and he can't just 'make things happen'
The issue today is the Flynn thing. I'd be frustrated to as to why his lying about talking to a Russia and not reporting it is such a big deal ....fine him, jail him, .......just get something done. His lying has taken nearly 1/2 a year and still not complete. Will it take years to finalize this investigation? Was his conversation in cahoots with Putin and they were planning to overthrow the world? :rolleyes: I'm just trying to understand why the investigation is taking so long. I totally understand Trumps frustration over this. What the heck could Flynn have said that would warrant so much attention?
As far as egos....... his probably tops the list of any President during my lifetime...... Johnson might come pretty close.
Nobody without a big ego runs for President. Obama use his might tap of the wand to put coal miners out of work and make Obamacare the rule of the land. Presidents have a lot of power. Low self esteem and no ego don't work for this occupation.
 
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He still doesn't write. He runs without a teleprompter. He just talks.
I'm not defending Rush. Just sayin the main media is extremely biased , but they write and word things discretely... I mentioned "subliminal"
Rush on the other hand is die hard conservative and he is well known for that. Everyone knows that.
The main press ought to be unbiased, but they aren't. Most people think they are.

Don't forget, he has problems with drug addiction too.
 
The government is so incredibly slow. My father filed an EEO complaint for age discrimination for being told he was "too old" to get the necessary training that was required for a promotion (mind you, the training was for a system that he created so he didn't need training but it was a prerequisite-- and basically, they were just looking for an excuse and were only promoting much younger people). It took the government two years to get around to looking into it and by then the only witnesses claimed they didn't remember anything.

Trump tried to stop the investigation. He seems to have something to hide.

But yeah, the media is so biased it's not even funny. And if you don't agree with their opinions, you are told that you are "on the wrong side of history".
 
But yeah, the media is so biased it's not even funny. And if you don't agree with their opinions, you are told that you are "on the wrong side of history".
Yes, I agree, its not even funny, it's sick.
Recall that I mentioned "subliminal" a couple days ago as to the constant repetitive drone of the media today on their relentless attack on Trump? They slip in a fork and twist it every opportunity they can. Most people don't even notice it (the reason they do it)
Well tonight, just when I was getting over my rant ...guess what.
Tonight on $100,000 Pyramid, (ABC) one of the categories to choose from was "What Trump and Putin might talk about" Everyone giggled of course.
A few minutes later in the program, the words Twitter and Tweet were two separate answers to the clues. Coincidence? :rolleyes: These guys are relentless. I think ABC has taken the lead. They don't do this for no reason.
I wonder if they had done this to Obama, aligning the categorizes to "US requirements to become President" and "countries with fast runners"
...ya think towns across the US would have been set afire during the protests? They do this to "The Donald", but pretend to be unbiased. ........they ain't.
 
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So when Exxon was told human caused global warming is a fact of life.... that means it's true? :rolleyes:
In their eight-month-long investigation, reporters at InsideClimate News interviewed former Exxon employees, scientists and federal officials and analyzed hundreds of pages of internal documents. They found that the company’s knowledge of climate change dates back to July 1977, when its senior scientist James Black delivered a sobering message on the topic. “In the first place, there is general scientific agreement that the most likely manner in which mankind is influencing the global climate is through carbon dioxide release from the burning of fossil fuels," Black told Exxon’s management committee. A year later he warned Exxon that doubling CO2 gases in the atmosphere would increase average global temperatures by two or three degrees—a number that is consistent with the scientific consensus today. He continued to warn that “present thinking holds that man has a time window of five to 10 years before the need for hard decisions regarding changes in energy strategies might become critical." In other words, Exxon needed to act.
So how come the warming has fizzled to a near stop and 40 years after Black gave his doomsday warning the air is cleaner than in 1977 and we're still alive?
Exxon may have hired a research team, out of curiosity and for scientific purposes but it doesn't mean they believed the results of resulting doomsday forecast any more than me or Roy Spencer.

...wasn't it 1975 or so when global cooling was the doomsday prediction?
....and about that myth we only had 10 years of oil left? That was around the 70's oil embargo ....about when I got my drivers license.
Here's the consensus. Doom and gloomers and deniers are correct.
 
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One thing the oil companies don't want people to know is that there is actually a surplus of the oil itself-- but they make sure not to refine as much at one time so they can claim that supply is low. They even shut down perfectly good refineries and laid off workers just so they could artificially inflate the price of gasoline.

It's similar to what Debeers does. Diamonds are not rare, but Debeers bought up most of the mines-- along with mines for silver and gold so they could have a monopoly and control the market. By releasing diamonds in smaller quantities they can justify higher prices by claiming the demand is higher than the supply-- mostly because they control where and how the diamonds are cut as well. I won't even get in to the horrible things they do to the native people. I would much rather have man-made diamonds. Well, if I actually gave a crap about diamonds.

Sorry for digressing. LOL.
 

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