State of the Union

[Floorist]

Just like people don't understand communism. There is not now and never has been a communist country. Communism won't work because of human greed. In true communism, everyone puts whatever they make into a pot and everyone only takes back out what they need.
But humans always want more than what they need. Everyone wants one more apple than what their neighbor has.

 

[DennisT]

And many people think communism is the opposite of democracy. It's the opposite of capitalism. And like communism, capitalism cannot be "pure". There has to be socialist aspects for any society to work. And as a society becomes more socialist it moves closer to communism.

 

[Floorist]

And the US is not a Democracy, it is a Republic. In a Democracy, every person would vote on everything. In a Republic, you elect people to vote for the majority.

 

[Floorist]

"What good fortune for governments that men do not think." - Adolf Hitler

 

[rugaddict]

if u r a politician i assume u r crooked---it saves a lot of time

 

[Incognito]

r their own agenda.

I vote in all elections. What good does it really do at the national level? All the candidates are decided for us and the differences are minor at best.

See, THAT's the problem right there.

You (we) VOTE and it confirms their justification of the system. Not just you of course but 110-120 MILLION Americans only think blue or red, donkey or elephant, white or black, gay or straight, communist or fascist, abortion or right to life...............simple mindedness at it's worst. As if these issues are Yes/No questions on a high school test.

Sorry for starting all this nonsense. Had a few beers in me when that lying sack of shit came on the TV and started selling the..........NEVERMIND.

 

[havasu]

I love the honesty In! We all get frustrated when we hear political bullshit.

 

[Ernesto]

I found the speech refreshingly inspiring. Lets all work together. Like every State of The Union speech.
If I was a one percenter I wouldn't be worried. lol Hey I got "trickle down" working for me!!! It's trickling down my F'ing leg very very slowly.

 

[highup]

See, THAT's the problem right there.

You (we) VOTE and it confirms their justification of the system. Not just you of course but 110-120 MILLION Americans only think blue or red, donkey or elephant, white or black, gay or straight, communist or fascist, abortion or right to life...............simple mindedness at it's worst. As if these issues are Yes/No questions on a high school test.

Sorry for starting all this nonsense. Had a few beers in me when that lying sack of shit came on the TV and started selling the..........NEVERMIND.

Beer is good............ On that note, if we tax more, it will all be fixed.
Maybe if the government makes a monumental decision to entice corporations to not go elsewhere.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/corporate-income-tax-rates-around-world-2014
Note to the common folk.
...corporations don't pay those taxes. They add it to their costs of operation and pass it on to us in higher priced goods................ hey, if they increased your taxes 30%....... would you eat it? ..............or increase the price of your product 35% .............or move overseas? The US keeps digging into the corporations and making them appear to be the evil giant so we will all hate them.
How about the government starts trying to work with corporations so that they will bring some jobs back home where they belong?

I found the speech refreshingly inspiring. Lets all work together. Like every State of The Union speech.
If I was a one percenter I wouldn't be worried. lol Hey I got "trickle down" working for me!!! It's trickling down my F'ing leg very very slowly.

It doesn't work that way. Increase taxes in New York on the 1%ers and they will move out of the state. Doing that reduces NY city income 50% and they will fall into an abyss in one day. You need to find a way to work with and entice these people and companies to stay here and build here. Taxing the crap out of them has extremely obvious consequences.

The US has driven away the companies that built this country. How do we get em back? By imposing higher regulations and taxes? This isn't 1960 anymore.
http://taxfoundation.org/article/corporate-income-tax-rates-around-world-2014



I do have issues with them tho.......... The large multinational corporations, instead of investing their income by building additional plants to manufacture their products........... they buy out the competition, reducing our ability to have choices. I do have a problem with that.
..............but what is the fix? Increased taxes won't help, it will hurt. Hating the wealthy won't help.

How about in time of record deficits, the government gets friendly with corporations, reduces handouts to the middle American (not the needy), instead of as in the presidents speech, add billions in more handouts without a way to pay for it?
O is not running again, so there's no risk to himself whatsoever tossing out or offering bus so he can look like a saint. He speech was taking credit where credit is not due, then promising tanker loads of candy to the masses. The democratic system is all about creating more and more programs to get re-elected. Those mean old conservatives want to pat you on the back, encourage you, and push you hard to better yourself.
Demo's want you to blame yous situation on someone else.
.............We need more of the Andy Griffith type shows back on TV to show kids how life is supposed to be. .....just wishful thinking.
Those old TV shows taught and instilled in us kids a lot of morals and good thinking. Kids today don't give a crap about anything but cell phones, selfies and U-tube. It's really a very, very, sad state we are in right now, with instant connections and gratification being our only purpose in life.

 

[DennisT]

See, THAT's the problem right there.

You (we) VOTE and it confirms their justification of the system. Not just you of course but 110-120 MILLION Americans only think blue or red, donkey or elephant, white or black, gay or straight, communist or fascist, abortion or right to life...............simple mindedness at it's worst. As if these issues are Yes/No questions on a high school test.

Sorry for starting all this nonsense. Had a few beers in me when that lying sack of shit came on the TV and started selling the..........NEVERMIND.

Yes, it justifies the system. I've gotten so discouraged with he system that my votes in national elections is a vote against the other candidate(s).

 

[DennisT]

Any figures on US corporate taxes are going to be loaded with errors. Our corporate tax system is riddled with exemptions, special considerations, and government handouts. Congress members are beholden to those who finance their campaigns. Any bill that is written is written in part by lobbyists. No wonder the system is so screwed up and unfair.


<RANT ON>
I really get mad when I hear the term "job creators" when talking about the 1%. Get this straight - anyone telling you that the 1% are job creators are idiots and should be dismissed as so. People who actually run a business know there's only one thing that creates jobs - and that is customers. Customers are the job creators.
</RANT OFF>

 

[highup]

I'm a one percenter, and 150 workers spent 5 or more days a week for over 3 years building my yacht............. that's a bad thing?
....not to mention building my 3 summer homes (that all have floors), and my fleet of cars and my Gulfstream 650?
How did I just spend $550 million on stuff and nobody was employed or got paid?
.........as a "customer", I figured that I was doing a pretty good job employing a lot of people. Maybe now I'll just stop spending my money and stash it under the mattress.. The ones in my homes, plane and yacht.

What bothers me about some of those 1 percenters, is that they sometimes get paid huge bonuses when they their company has had a crappy year. As a CEO, you are supposed to be paid well when you make the company grow, not lose money and shrink. When I see them accept a large bonus at the same time they are closing plants, or stores, it makes me sick. If I was making big money, I'd forgo my bonus if it could keep the company from closing a store or laying off some of it's workers.......... but that's just me. I'd make a crappy boss.

 

[Floorist]

My brother worked for a company that only closed factories. Their job was to lay off people and keep a factory running with fewer and fewer employees until it became impossible to run it. Then they locked the door and left without warning.

 

[highup]

Any figures on US corporate taxes are going to be loaded with errors. Our corporate tax system is riddled with exemptions, special considerations, and government handouts. Congress members are beholden to those who finance their campaigns. Any bill that is written is written in part by lobbyists. No wonder the system is so screwed up and unfair.


<RANT ON>
I really get mad when I hear the term "job creators" when talking about the 1%. Get this straight - anyone telling you that the 1% are job creators are idiots and should be dismissed as so. People who actually run a business know there's only one thing that creates jobs - and that is customers. Customers are the job creators.
</RANT OFF>

That would stop if there was campaign finance reform with limits like maybe $1000 per voter. It would take more then that to run a campaign, but the two candidates could be allowed additional money in equal amounts from the general fund......... that would stop the big businesses from buying votes.
..............the voters should demand campaign finance reform.

 

[highup]

My brother worked for a company that only closed factories. Their job was to lay off people and keep a factory running with fewer and fewer employees until it became impossible to run it. Then they locked the door and left without warning.

That's because I wasn't the CEO.

 

[Kyure]

Learning a lot here.

 

[highup]

Learning a lot here.

Sarcasm?

 

[Kyure]

Nope. You guys break it down to fairly easy to understand.

 

[highup]

Nope. You guys break it down to fairly easy to understand.

If you want a hundred different views of a subject, you done came to the right place. I don't know if any of us is ever totally right, but the varied replies give us all food for thought.

 

[Z-Carpet]

Rand Paul 2016

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need a real conservative