Which one are you?

[DarisMulkin]

I have always had the habit of running my tongue over my lower lip and upper chin when concentrating ever since early childhood. One day I was working along on a new build and the buider asked me if I could work without doing that? I couldn't. Talking to yourself isn't a problem, its when you ask yourself a question that you answer your own question. Also when I'm talking to myself being a business owner, I'm having a board meeting.

 

[highup]

I have always had the habit of running my tongue over my lower lip and upper chin when concentrating ever since early childhood. One day I was working along on a new build and the buider asked me if I could work without doing that? I couldn't. Talking to yourself isn't a problem, its when you ask yourself a question that you answer your own question. Also when I'm talking to myself being a business owner, I'm having a board meeting.

I bet you do that when you have the state required / mandatory safety meetings.

 

[C.J.]

I bet you do that when you have the state required / mandatory safety meetings.

Is that the same thing as a ‘safety meeting’.

 

[highup]

Is that the same thing as a ‘safety meeting’.

Lord I hope so.
On the bright side you can also be the state inspector, just change your voice to something arrogant and annoying.

 

[MSLI]

talking to myself is there is a chance that as I'm mumbling and cursing at the crappy work the installer that's doing all the damage will walk into the room and hear me

I hear you man, it’s no fun, what can be done to keep the peace for all involved. I see one way maybe worth trying ( sorry ! Hear comes the philosophy again ) Acceptance ! Do what you do, and let them do what they do. The best we can hope for is that your doing is being done so diligently dedicated with quality in mind , that maybe an awakening comes to those around you.

 

[C.J.]

I hear you man, it’s no fun, what can be done to keep the peace for all involved. I see one way maybe worth trying ( sorry ! Hear comes the philosophy again ) Acceptance ! Do what you do, and let them do what they do. The best we can hope for is that your doing is being done so diligently dedicated with quality in mind , that maybe an awakening comes to those around you.

I like it when Dr. Sli is giving advice. No need to go to war when there are more peaceful solutions. One solution is to charge up the ass to fix other people’s shoddy work. Remember, you’re not friends. This is business. The sting of a hefty bill could be seen as motivation to not use hacks. Turn the situation back on the offender for using hacks in the first place. Just put it out there like it is. Tell them if they had only paid a little more up front for better craftsmanship that they wouldn’t be feeling the sting of THEIR own actions. Don’t let them make it about you or your pricing. You didn’t create the situation so don’t feel bad for charging appropriately for fixing it.

On the other hand, fixing substandard work for less than what you could be charging could be viewed as enabling the offender and only further entrenches their actions.

 

[Steve079]

I ran into my neighbor at the hardware store yesterday, we started talking and I could tell he had enjoyed a bit of homegrown prior. He was asking me something a tool, when he suddenly just stopped, blinked a few times, the said "Wow, I'm high as a Mother F@#%er" I laughed and said "What"? He got that look and said, " Did I say that out loud?

 

[C.J.]

I ran into my neighbor at the hardware store yesterday, we started talking and I could tell he had enjoyed a bit of homegrown prior. He was asking me something a tool, when he suddenly just stopped, blinked a few times, the said "Wow, I'm high as a Mother F@#%er" I laughed and said "What"? He got that look and said, " Did I say that out loud?

Good thing he wasn’t grocery shoppin

 

[highup]

I like it when Dr. Sli is giving advice. No need to go to war when there are more peaceful solutions. One solution is to charge up the ass to fix other people’s shoddy work. Remember, you’re not friends. This is business. The sting of a hefty bill could be seen as motivation to not use hacks. Turn the situation back on the offender for using hacks in the first place. Just put it out there like it is. Tell them if they had only paid a little more up front for better craftsmanship that they wouldn’t be feeling the sting of THEIR own actions. Don’t let them make it about you or your pricing. You didn’t create the situation so don’t feel bad for charging appropriately for fixing it.

On the other hand, fixing substandard work for less than what you could be charging could be viewed as enabling the offender and only further entrenches their actions.

I don't have any plans on fixing anything. If a problem arises I would prefer that the installer figures it out for himself and gets an education.

 

[Floorist]

I don't have any plans on fixing anything. If a problem arises I would prefer that the installer figures it out for himself and gets an education.

That is the problem with many of the young guys. We can figure it out, they can't.

 

[C.J.]

I can still hear my mom say ‘You better figure it out, young man!’. Being left alone as a child helped one to figure things out since mom n dad weren’t hovering over us holding our hand 24/7.

 

[highup]

That is the problem with many of the young guys. We can figure it out, they can't.

With woven carpet you don't figure it out you follow the instructions from the manufacturer. Nobody cares or wants to go to the effort to find out.
Remember when perimeter vinyls were all the craze? I've seen a handful of jobs where Designer II was full spread with multi-purpose. This was when the material first came out. Everything was paperbacked. Tell me when you saw the first piece of vinyl flooring without a paper back. Did you just go ahead and put it in or did you ask questions? Every time I see something new or different, I ask questions.
To quote from Dirty Harry... "I gots to know"

 

[DarisMulkin]

With woven carpet you don't figure it out you follow the instructions from the manufacturer. Nobody cares or wants to go to the effort to find out.
Remember when perimeter vinyls were all the craze? I've seen a handful of jobs where Designer II was full spread with multi-purpose. This was when the material first came out. Everything was paperbacked. Tell me when you saw the first piece of vinyl flooring without a paper back. Did you just go ahead and put it in or did you ask questions? Every time I see something new or different, I ask questions.
To quote from Dirty Harry... "I gots to know"

I did a job I thought was Interflex and perimeter glued it. It wasn't. It bubbled up and we had to go back and lift it and full spread it. Forgot who the manufacturer was but it sure looked like interflex. It was in the boonies and the funny part of it was when we unwrapped it we saw what it was thinking it was inteflex we said we had the wrong glue and drove 30 miles to get interflex glue and then be wrong. Egg on the face.

 

[Floorist]

First interflex we ever did, we had never heard of it and neither had the store. They sent us out and provided multi for the install. What a mess that was.

 

[highup]

First interflex we ever did, we had never heard of it and neither had the store. They sent us out and provided multi for the install. What a mess that was.

If that's what the shop provided, then that's what you use. Being a new product, they would have been responsible to be sure you had the correct adhesive.

 

[C.J.]

If that's what the shop provided, then that's what you use. Being a new product, they would have been responsible to be sure you had the correct adhesive.

To me this is a catch 22. If the shop is providing the materials and supplies then they absolutely should be providing the correct supplies. But I feel it’s the installers responsibility to know what the heck is going on and to say something if the incorrect materials and supplies are being provided. This is where the shop and installer have a ‘partnership’. Any more it’s the buying and selling of responsibility. The last person that touched it is the one who eats it. Eating a few jobs is the quickest way to learn to speak up and say no to something that is incorrect. Knowingly pushing the rules is one thing, not knowing what you’re doing is another.

I worked for a company (as an employee) that had a salesperson that didn’t know **** about **** and was always creating ‘situations’ that I was expected to fix. One evening after I had a few drinks I told her that her jobs were always ****** up and I didn’t want to do her jobs anymore. She was seriously offended and had a major hissy fit. This led to a meeting with the owner of the company and I told him the same thing and cited multiple examples to back up my statement. Needles to say she didn’t last long after that meeting. There’s only so much I can take.

 

[Mark Brown]

I literally had a shop tell me...
"We never had so many problems before you showed up"
The truth was they had all the same problems, it was just that no one told them about them until they were clients complaining.
Sorry I dont want your problems to be my problems......

 

[MikeAntonetti]

“If only”

New materials never really had instructions, no one knew how it would react in real world situations. Then problems came in and they would change instructions based on failures.

 

[Floorist]

I worked for a store that would do a 3" side fill in at least 6 pieces to save the customer money. I have taken a cut out from a fireplace to fill a spot in the room in several pieces. They had a contract to do some apts. The kitchens were vinyl. The way they were layed out I would have to do a 6" fill across the end to save 6" off the length for the customer. It seemed like every one of the old lady tenants would put their dogs water dish where that seam would be wet constantly. So we had a few failures.
Last straw was they sent me out with 8 vinyl scraps to do a 5' x 10' hall. I quit.

 

[MikeAntonetti]

The mentality is insanity