Discussing politics and religion

There is a simple truth. We whether it's Congress, Union members, climate activists, climate deniers (rational people), flooring dudes. There will never be something everyone agrees upon. We all have different education, backgrounds and interests, so were all going to look at every topic differently. Human nature.
I'm confused why so many people today believe we never set foot on the moon. We did, and it's obvious. They were launched into space on the largest rocket ever built and splashdown was 6 days later..... so they just circled the earth all that time. Where was the movie studio and who constructed the set. To keep this a secret everyone involved had to be "disposed of" ...no way this could be kept secret. Then there are the engineers, mathematicians, the new products that were invented to make the heat shield, the thrusters the telemetry systems.
There would literally be tens of thousands of people involved that would have to been "disposed of" ....again, no way to keep these people from talking if this was a hoax.
...find a video on the fake moon landings and read the comments. People believe what they want to. Once more, human nature. We're all different.
That's why world harmony is a pipe dream. We all think differently. And the intensity of our thinking and beliefs range from easily swayed, to set in stone.
There are people that want rat traps and baits made illegal and that rats should be caught humanity and "relocated"
People that think on that level are voting for..........
...well, I'm not telling. It's my little secret.
There will never be universal robot like thinking. We just need to be able to disagree with civility. This can happen in small groups as this politics and religion forum demonstrates.
Tho we're mostly "cyber friends", we get a long, share ideas, once in a while whack each other with a pool noodle.... It ends well because we have a common bond.
Get a crowd of 1,000 protesters, or even 500 who have never met and all bets are off. They have no commonality, no common ground. No reason to become friends. Neither side comes to a protest to be convinced they are wrong. Protests to me are a waste of time and make things worse, not better...... they're just insecure noise makers doing something to make themselves feel good that they "accomplished" some worthy cause..... They never do, they just stir the pot.
Oh my God, did I just stir the pot.
I don't care
...and neither does anyone here
...just words, just my thoughts.
Git out the pool noodles and let me know I'm wrong. I can take it.

Wow, all that on one cup of coffee. I'm going back for seconds

Oh, and about:

Proposal: The same way Donald has activated ‘ Fight Fight Fight Attitudes ‘

Go back to 2016 when upon election, investigation, accusations, hearings, impeachment, lawsuits. Democrats were so surprised (me too) that he got elected, the opened the gate, let the pitbulls and rottweilers loose like reckless homeowners.

That STARTED a war that's continued to this day.
They let off for a few years, then upon him announcing that he's running again, they bought even more dogs to unleash, pulled 20 year old skeletons out of the closet and have gone after him with twice the vigor. Even filing lawsuits trying to keep him off of ballots, changing a statute of limitations so they could bring on lawsuits etc...

That's why the country has broken apart. The left started a personal war against Donald Trump. Half the country supports him, so the war is against half the country, not one man.

highup said:

There are people that want rat traps and baits made illegal and that rats should be caught humanity and "relocated"
People that think on that level are voting for..........

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What type of coffee are you on, I need some That was a great read

I saw a program about a Rat volunteer crew in NY, that used Rat Dogs and other none poisonous methods, but never heard about a ‘ catch and release ‘ crew.

Hey ! It takes a village to maintain a city, so why not make room for different ideas, that are also purposeful.

highup said:

Oh, and about:

Proposal: The same way Donald has activated ‘ Fight Fight Fight Attitudes ‘

Go back to 2016 when upon election, investigation, accusations, hearings, impeachment, lawsuits. Democrats were so surprised (me too) that he got elected, the opened the gate, let the pitbulls and rottweilers loose like reckless homeowners.

That STARTED a war that's continued to this day.
They let off for a few years, then upon him announcing that he's running again, they bought even more dogs to unleash, pulled 20 year old skeletons out of the closet and have gone after him with twice the vigor. Even filing lawsuits trying to keep him off of ballots, changing a statute of limitations so they could bring on lawsuits etc...

That's why the country has broken apart. The left started a personal war against Donald Trump. Half the country supports him, so the war is against half the country, not one man.

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I agree with you for now at this late hour but would like to take a crack at a rebuttal, after you give me the brand of coffee you’re drinking …. I can tell you this though. I’m not impressed with how progressives have handled the challenges of Donald over the course of 9 or 10 years, but I’m willing to give them filtered flexibility as you are with him.

PS > hopefully the use of the word war is
about the war on words, methods and ideas ….. Lets improve rather than remove

MSLI said:

What type of coffee are you on, I need some That was a great read

I saw a program about a Rat volunteer crew in NY, that used Rat Dogs and other none poisonous methods, but never heard about a ‘ catch and release ‘ crew.

Hey ! It takes a village to maintain a city, so why not make room for different ideas, that are also purposeful.

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I'm not a fan of the poison either. They can die inside walls or a cat could eat em, and that wouldn't be good.
I saw a video once at a ranch in Australia.... I think
At night, they ran across the dirt and barn floor in numbers it looked like the ground was alive..... Thousands and thousands. I recall the show narrator, or probably a farmer mentioning animal rights people thinking of a catch and release fix instead of logical, rational methods, like murdering them.

MSLI said:

I agree with you for now at this late hour but would like to take a crack at a rebuttal, after you give me the brand of coffee you’re drinking …. I can tell you this though. I’m not impressed with how progressives have handled the challenges of Donald over the course of 9 or 10 years, but I’m willing to give them filtered flexibility as you are with him.

PS > hopefully the use of the word war is
about the war on words, methods and ideas ….. Lets improve rather than remove

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I'm a month, I might need to whip up a cup of that coffee the Irish invented..... Then I'll write another essay. Oh crap, maybe a short novel.

Coffee is either Yuban or Folgers brewed in a Mr coffee. I'll add about 10% ground beans of whatever is cheap or on sale.... Has to be dark coffee, none of that sissy morning stuff.

Vote Harris and see how quickly we see the future as previously predicted. The US will cease to exist.

highup said:

Vote Harris and see

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Into the fortune tellers future

highup said:

Get a crowd of 1,000 protesters, or even 500 who have never met and all bets are off. They have no commonality, no common ground. No reason to become friends. Neither side comes to a protest to be convinced they are wrong. Protests to me are a waste of time and make things worse, not better...... they're just insecure noise makers doing something to make themselves feel good that they "accomplished" some worthy cause..... They never do, they just stir the pot.
Oh my God, did I just stir the pot.
I don't care

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Protesting about protesters That’s the greatest thing ever, and definitely a worthy cause ….. It’ like when I share all this acceptance unconditional love crap ( O ! and bye the way, when I say crap, I really mean fertilizer ) and then I proceed to ‘ not accept ‘ and then criticize HOWEVER ! What we may be missing is the Intent of the protestors or the constructive criticism….. Even though they may be doing it in a way that doesn’t fit into our norms, if the intent has any purposeful meaning, then that makes some aspects of the protest WORTHY
( Thanks for that word High, because the two of us are really really close to a consensus, but are both missing some type of special sauce ) …. Could that special sauce actually be from your words ? ( see quote below)

highup said:

. People believe what they want to. Once more, human nature. We're all different.
That's why world harmony is a pipe dream. We all think differently. And the intensity of our thinking and beliefs range from easily swayed, to set in stone.

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Understanding the truth about differences may be the ‘ Special Sauce ‘ that improves harmony

MSLI said:

Protesting about protesters That’s the greatest thing ever, and definitely a worthy cause ….. It’ like when I share all this acceptance unconditional love crap ( O ! and bye the way, when I say crap, I really mean fertilizer ) and then I proceed to ‘ not accept ‘ and then criticize HOWEVER ! What we may be missing is the Intent of the protestors or the constructive criticism….. Even though they may be doing it in a way that doesn’t fit into our norms, if the intent has any purposeful meaning, then that makes some aspects of the protest WORTHY
( Thanks for that word High, because the two of us are really really close to a consensus, but are both missing some type of special sauce ) …. Could that special sauce actually be from your words ? ( see quote below)

Understanding the truth about differences may be the ‘ Special Sauce ‘ that improves harmony

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I don't have the simple words to say what I want to.
Let's try this.
Convince your neighbor that Wednesday is the best day to go out for pizza.
You have a couple back and forths and since you're neighbors, you come to an agreement... Wednesday will be the night for pizza.

Let's skip ahead to a block pizza party on Wednesday 14 neighbors now.
It takes a month to set into stone as schedules slowly fit into place.
Everyone agrees on Wednesday the 17th and everyone shows up.
Once more, a little back and forth leads to a consensus makes for a memorable event.
FINALLY, get 250,000 or 30 million to agree on a Wednesday night.
...or, just 535 members of congress.
Never worth discussing. 'taint NEVER gonna happen. It's a pipe dream...... (smoke of choice)
That's why we have winners and losers. At a point, discussions become an impossibly as far as agreeing. An example is "is the earth flat" ?
...obviously no, but we're dealing with people. See, even a simple question won't be agreed upon.

However 9 guns pointed in your face might wake you up.

highup said:

That's why we have winners and losers.

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Ok maybe only in my mind, or my will are we close to consensus, so I guess I’m a dreamer and I was looking through binoculars and objects appear closer than they are …… Lets try this: I’m as competitive as they come in sports, but Politicking is not a sport. So if we are looking at this race as winners and losers, we are being short sighted ( Imho) The very nature of Politics ( used as an adjective ) is about being Sensible and Judicious…… So yes fight like hell for your cause, belief, values, ideals ….. but at the end of the debate, the BIGGER MORE PURPOSEFUL INTENT IS COLLABORATION, CONSENSUS, A MEETING OF THE MINDS FOR THE IMPROVED GREATER GOOD. Not the winning trophy or the participation one.

Evidently this win loose right wrong good evil lowest common denominator thinking is way more powerful than I have imagined. Scratch that ! I know all too well about it, I’m most likely in denial about my personal ownership of it too. But ! I can smell and almost taste something different out there in my imagination, like John Lennon. Thanks for the rude reality slapping with the “ 9 ea. pool noodles “ ….. Hey. ! I use your words both endearingly and as counter point. Sorry if they are button pushing

Final thought:

Since I just came to that side of understanding, maybe meet me halfway into the side of imaginary improvement land . were harmony could dwell in the listening, respecting, understanding, accepting, caring, appreciative, trusting of our differences.

MSLI said:

Ok maybe only in my mind, or my will are we close to consensus, so I guess I’m a dreamer and I was looking through binoculars and objects appear closer than they are …… Lets try this: I’m as competitive as they come in sports, but Politicking is not a sport. So if we are looking at this race as winners and losers, we are being short sighted ( Imho) The very nature of Politics ( used as an adjective ) is about being Sensible and Judicious…… So yes fight like hell for your cause, belief, values, ideals ….. but at the end of the debate, the BIGGER MORE PURPOSEFUL INTENT IS COLLABORATION, CONSENSUS, A MEETING OF THE MINDS FOR THE IMPROVED GREATER GOOD. Not the winning trophy or the participation one.

Evidently this win loose right wrong good evil lowest common denominator thinking is way more powerful than I have imagined. Scratch that ! I know all too well about it, I’m most likely in denial about my personal ownership of it too. But ! I can smell and almost taste something different out there in my imagination, like John Lennon. Thanks for the rude reality slapping with the “ 9 ea. pool noodles “ ….. Hey. ! I use your words both endearingly and as counter point. Sorry if they are button pushing

Final thought:

Since I just came to that side of understanding, maybe meet me halfway into the side of imaginary improvement land . were harmony could dwell in the listener about our differences.

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I, like you can listen.....I mean, were communicating. ...and put political views are pretty much 180.

We aren't the problem. It's when you have large..... HUGE... masses of people involved in the the conversation/discussion that the peaceful, rational becomes unlikely /impossible.
If just one person starts yelling, others will join in, in defense on both sides and the fight is on.
The seriousness of the fight/disagreement depends on the topic..

Abortion...... All guns and swords come out.

What color should our new school be painted?
...survivable, but possibly a little more intense than it should be.

What color should the new carpeting be at the church?
............ah, were definately back to guns and swords

My two cents, if a politician uses public funds to pay off or buy their votes, then they should be disqualified.

havasu said:

My two cents, if a politician uses public funds to pay off or buy their votes, then they should be disqualified.

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It’s times like these ( Heightened Awareness) when some messages appear valid or at least some consideration. I’m talking about
“ Shoulding all over ourselves “ ….

How does it feel havasu, if I say, we should never use the word should. ? …. The feeling would probably be almost instantaneously one of defensiveness. Then maybe a feeling to release all the bodily fluids one has onto that ‘ Shoulder person or group’ ….and In this example, that would be me I definitely would be the looser

…… We are never, like ‘highup’ says,
( the king defender of Win or Lose ) ever going to eliminate this learning necessity, to move forward. However,
In closing: and it’s this simple, the replacement word ‘ Could ‘ for
‘ Should ‘ allows us to become bipartisan in politics. Otherwise we will continue to battle our differences of ideals and continue racing to the bottom….I edited out all that other racing mumbo jumbo stuff I can get a bit carried away

Now your chance to edit for a chance of bipartisanship

(Close eyes)
Chant (we are the world)
Then strangle the little *****!

My tongue is getting tired from licking the wounds Congrats boys !

I heard this phrase today and it makes good sense. I’ll be a loyal opponent …..
for 4 or more years

Just confirms what people were saying all along. This country was headed in the wrong direction, and we did something about it.