Discussing politics and religion

highup said:

Maga needs a hug, handshake and a thank you. The media has created an image to hate and they've been successful.
I can't understand what they've done or said that's wrong
We're not talking Trump or a tiny fringe group .
MAGA is 1/2 of the country.

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MSLI said:

Now that he’s got permission from the popular public ( YOU ) he will continue to exploit ( They / Them ) and in the process, turned disrespecting oneself, for personal / Party gain, into an acceptable strategy tragedy …..

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No more riddles or analogies …. We the people, all of us are extremely creative and vulnerable at the same time….. The world basically runs on opposites. Right Wrong, Win Lose, Ying Yang, Creative Vulnerable…… Furries and the like are a sub-culture who may or may not need evaluation just like you or me, but on an extremely higher level of creativity. Once we ACCEPT that concept, then it becomes less important to label it as being ‘ SOCIETAL WRONG ‘

Personally wrong is ok, but to unleash a firestorm and Brand they / them as a reason why America is no longer GREAT ? This is the MAGA Good Bullying Italian dark roast exploding bowel movement ) …… It’s not RIGHT OR WRONG it’s actually unwise to unleash such a **** storm onto children, who’s vulnerabilities may help them jump. It’s unthoughtful, and disrespectful to oneself and others. A bully is a bully is a bully ….The means and manner matter, put that on a hat and run with it….. It’s all about perspective and that’s how I see it. I will still shake your hand and hug you, because I know your perspective is Different, and that’s the secret sauce that allows me to swallow my inner bully and **** him out in the toilet.

This speaks louder than words.

Furries are real. There is a group of them at our local high school. They are now demanding sand boxes in both gender bathrooms, to accompany tampons in both gender bathrooms. Sorry, but this just does not compute!

I see that WalMart has officially quit their DEI acceptance. As Hi said above, 50% think this is a mental issue, and since we can't vote for DEI, we let our money do the talking. Take away 50% of the population purchasing power, and damn, what a surprise, DEI is now gone.

MSLI said:

No more riddles or analogies …. We the people, all of us are extremely creative and vulnerable at the same time….. The world basically runs on opposites. Right Wrong, Win Lose, Ying Yang, Creative Vulnerable…… Furries and the like are a sub-culture who may or may not need evaluation just like you or me, but on an extremely higher level of creativity. Once we ACCEPT that concept, then it becomes less important to label it as being ‘ SOCIETAL WRONG ‘

Personally wrong is ok, but to unleash a firestorm and Brand they / them as a reason why America is no longer GREAT ? This is the MAGA Good Bullying Italian dark roast exploding bowel movement ) …… It’s not RIGHT OR WRONG it’s actually unwise to unleash such a **** storm onto children, who’s vulnerabilities may help them jump. It’s unthoughtful, and disrespectful to oneself and others. A bully is a bully is a bully ….The means and manner matter, put that on a hat and run with it….. It’s all about perspective and that’s how I see it. I will still shake your hand and hug you, because I know your perspective is Different, and that’s the secret sauce that allows me to swallow my inner bully and **** him out in the toilet.

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There are no issues between us, it's just different perspectives.
The people I have been referring to never in history existed until the past 5 or 10 years. I'll excuse the stoned peacenicks of the 60's and 70's.... They had some thought behind their behavior.
People are full to the brim with DEI and wokeness. Businesses are abandoning it after realizing that it's just reverse racism and jealousy put into rules and laws.
A young kid disappeared from his home while mom was sleeping. Sadly he was found a couple days later less than 2 miles from home.... Cause of death not known yet.
Upon seeing a missing children's report by a sheriffs office, every name on the missing child list started with:

Pronouns (he/him)
Then name
Then age
Then missing date etc.

Pronouns for each and every missing child? Really?

I have a friend who works at an orthodontists office.
The new owner kept pushing her to include her preferred pronouns on some employee list.
She must have said no a dozen times after continual hints and reminders. She's been at that place for 20 years. She would have quit rathert than to make up some stupid pronouns to be included in whatever that form was used for.
There's like 10 employees.... they all know each other. Why is it so important to have pronouns? My name is Randy. Her name is Julie...... that's all we need to know to address each other.
The tide is finally turning.

havasu said:

Furries are real. There is a group of them at our local high school. They are now demanding sand boxes in both gender bathrooms, to accompany tampons in both gender bathrooms. Sorry, but this just does not compute!

I see that WalMart has officially quit their DEI acceptance. As Hi said above, 50% think this is a mental issue, and since we can't vote for DEI, we let our money do the talking. Take away 50% of the population purchasing power, and damn, what a surprise, DEI is now gone.

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Gotta go... the sun is coming out

havasu said:

Furries are real. There is a group of them at our local high school. They are now demanding sand boxes in both gender bathrooms, to accompany tampons in both gender bathrooms. Sorry, but this just does not compute!

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Usually when it doesn’t compute, there are missing pieces to the information puzzle.

Thought: life, government and Tug of war

Maybe a title to a book Picture this, Conservative team against Liberals and the pit of despair in the middle. How do we resist each other ( live within the realm of function ) without the risk of casting each other over into despair ? Are we witnessing civil discord, or did we stack the rope with outsiders who play dirty?
And if you agree with that, what will be the pull back ? …. Let’s change the game to Tug for Balance not war.

MSLI said:

Usually when it doesn’t compute, there are missing pieces to the information puzzle

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Finding those missing pieces before adding to the noise is IMHO wise !

How do we attempt to fit the scattered out lying pieces, when we know lying and disguise run rampant and truth is lost in translation……Discernment and Surmising ! ! Skills yet to be embraced and realized in a winner takes all culture.

So, about an hour after I wrote about the "Furries" in here, I get a call from my neighbor, asking me to look out the front windows. Upon doing so, I saw a young teen gal, wearing a cat mask, and even had a cat tail attached to her belt line. She was talking to herself as she sat on the grass lawn across the street, and appeared to be squatting. My other half called the elderly owner of the house to say there was a crazy person on her lawn. She said it was her granddaughter, who was dropped off by her gay dad, who is a doctor up in San Francisco. (anyone else seeing the stars aligning right now?) He drove his furry daughter down to see grandma and grandpa, who she hates, so she stayed outside while her dad went in to visit his parents.

It was quite bizarre, and all I could think of was to run out and snap a picture of her, then post it here to prove that damn cat was squatting and peeing on the grass, but I would probably be labeled as a right wing pervert. With this being said, my mind will have a hard time erasing what my eyes saw.

havasu said:

It was quite bizarre, and all I could think of was to run out and snap a picture of her, then post it here to prove that damn cat was squatting and peeing on the grass, but I would probably be labeled as a right wing pervert. With this being said, my mind will have a hard time erasing what my eyes saw.

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Understanding, discernment and surmising eyes could maybe provide the brain the capacity to erase that disturbing
Image ?

I think it’s called Anthropomorphic,
some sort of creative experimental expression on steroids…. Us old farts will never get it, but believe me when I say, these people know they are human, and if we do not surmise that, we are being unwise and more judgmental than necessary. We all had family’s in our neighborhoods who were weird, it happens, be nice to everyone, even the freaks, geeks, transgenders, they, them, furriers and furries

I don’t know about you, but when I’m on a long hike, there is something refreshing about dropping a poop and piss in nature.
How about you ?

Check it out and gain some understanding. https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/animals-and-us/201707/what-s-the-deal-furries?amp

You know, I get it, .... well, sort of!

The last time I had a lengthy discussion with my general physician, she tried to prepare us with the aftermath of the COVID lock-down for an entire year. People were ridiculed into wearing masks, the anti-vaxers were called the killers of the humane race. Impressional children were prohibited from leaving the house, forced into communicating into your home computer. My doc said you are about to see a huge spike in mental issues, she warned that suicides, especially from our young teens would spike, and we will never be able to communicate freely and openly, while using their own faces as a way to express your feelings. I'm wondering if the furries are also a result of now feeling comfortable being confined in a non-see world, where their facial expressions are also masked?

I believe my doctor was "spot on!"

havasu said:

People were ridiculed into wearing masks, the anti-vaxers were called the killers of the humane race. Impressional children were prohibited from leaving the house, forced into communicating into your home computer. My doc said you are about to see a huge spike in mental issues, she warned that suicides, especially from our young teens would spike, and we will never be able to communicate freely and openly, while using their own faces as a way to express your feelings. I'm wondering if the furries are also a result of now feeling comfortable being confined in a non-see world, where their facial expressions are also masked?

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Understanding Understanding Understanding….There is Nothing more fearful than a deadly invisible virus with mixed messages of uncertainty, So ! One could surmise that some people will over react, and there’s only one thing worse ? An over reaction to an over reaction, when really all that was required was a little understanding

So we had medical professionals whom approved vaccines, lockdowns, masks etc. And other medical professionals who did not. They would have preferred the heard immunity method. However The nation was under the gun to make a choice, so IMHO any Monday morning quarterbacking is unwise. Discernment and Surmising tells us that the truth of the matter was that finding the one perfect agreeable solution was almost impossible.

Be quick about being respectful and Slow about passing judgement. Even if it comes from a trusted Doctor, as they too are susceptible to human error.

havasu said:

. I'm wondering if the furries are also a result of now feeling comfortable being confined in a non-see world, where their facial expressions are also masked?

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That assessment sounds reasonable, and maybe the numbers increased. However the Furry phenomenon had been around since the 1980’s …. Propaganda, like gossip is unwise and can turn both the innocent and the perpetrator into victims.

MSLI said:

Usually when it doesn’t compute, there are missing pieces to the information puzzle.

Thought: life, government and Tug of war

Maybe a title to a book Picture this, Conservative team against Liberals and the pit of despair in the middle. How do we resist each other ( live within the realm of function ) without the risk of casting each other over into despair ? Are we witnessing civil discord, or did we stack the rope with outsiders who play dirty?
And if you agree with that, what will be the pull back ? …. Let’s change the game to Tug for Balance not war.

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Liberals need to understand what held the fabric of our country together for 237 years.
They decided to end the long proven rules of life and society. Things like formalities, discipline, behavior and consequences.
Get out of line..... Get put in your place.
Dress in leotards, and have full body tattoos and 1/2 of your face is embedded with "jewelry" like nose rings and tongue piercings.
You know going into this bodily mutilation that doing so will get you laughed at stared at and ridiculed by many. (Most)
If you can't handle the attention, THEN DON'T DO IT. (YEAH, THAT SIMPLE)
Can't get hired so you sue claiming "discrimination" ?
HEY, WERE NOT HIRING YOU BECAUSE YOU SCARE THE OTHER EMPLOYEES AND DRIVE AWAY CUSTOMERS!
...so clean yourself up and reapply.
Men in women's locker rooms and bathrooms....
...not allowed, we have rules. "WE" know who you are. The fact that "you" don't know who you are..... is not OUR problem.
Fix yourself or do a gofundme to build yourself a third bathroom.
Rob a bank. Rob a grocery store. Rob a home.
We used to have consequences, like jail time, fines and ......your in my house, scaring me and that's why you're dead.
Who came up with the idea of no bail? Racists did, because too many black youths were arrested... If you want to get elected, scream racism and give ratios instead of data.
...well guess why too many were arrested? It wasn't skin color, it's because they committed a crime.
Equity.... You have more than me, so give it to me. It's not fair that you have more than I do.
What is this new concept in Commiefornica where it's not a crime if you limit your thefts to $1000 or less?
Steal $800 from 5 different businesses instead of $4000 from one business and it's just fine, just fine.... no harm done. right?

Electing Trump is reestablishing America.... A reboot. A badly needed reboot.
The message is. We have rules and traditions accepted by most everyone.
If you can't abide by our traditional , proven standards and you won't attempt to fit in, then get out of the way.
You accept the rules of the majority. We don't have to lower our standards to fit yours.
America rules, not your rules.
It's basically like being a tough parent.
It may not be fun saying no and watching your children cry...... but in the end, they will be better off and that's why you're doing it.
If they make mistakes along the way, you help them. Later in life after they've grown and have kids of their own, they will totally understand why you did what you did.

I bought some Wrangler jeans tonight on sale. The checker said wow, that's a pretty good deal.
I replied, yes it sure is, but I wish sales on candy bars were 13 for a dollar like when I was a little kid.
Some lady behind me laughed and inject with a smirk "that's not going to happen under Trump"
....she wasn't part of the conversation, so I replied I don't care. I added, gas prices dropped 20 cents in 24 hours after Trump won the election...... and he isn't even president yet.
I said, that's plenty good enough for me.
TDS is really difficult to understand, tho easy to spot. They think about Trump 24/7 and can't stop.
People and most importantly companies and corporations rejecting DEI and "equity " are the largest blessing that comes from this election.
Every single state... all 50, had an increase in Republican voters. If that isn't a trend, I don't know what is.
Let's stop being enablers to the strange, the oddities and the criminals amongst us. Make America Normal Again.

My post wasn't in any sort of organized thoughts as if I prepared it for a speech so I'm not sure how well it flows. I'm just being the tough parent putting my house rules out there.
If one of the children start crying at the dinner table because we're out of butter ...I'm not going down to the store to get butter. If I did, I'd have no rules and I'd be cowering down letting the child win.
They can win when they're all growed up and out on their own.
A 6 year old isn't going to make me go to town and get butter. I'm not giving them that power even if they fill a 5 gallon pail with tears and pound on the floor.

highup said:

My post wasn't in any sort of organized thoughts as if I prepared it for a speech so I'm not sure how well it flows. I'm just being the tough parent putting my house rules out there.
If one of the children start crying at the dinner table because we're out of butter ...I'm not going down to the store to get butter. If I did, I'd have no rules and I'd be cowering down letting the child win.
They can win when they're all growed up and out on their own.
A 6 year old isn't going to make me go to town and get butter. I'm not giving them that power even if they fill a 5 gallon pail with tears and pound on the floor.

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Damn, remind me to bring my own butter next time I come for dinner!

Happy Thanksgiving, Hi!

havasu said:

Damn, remind me to bring my own butter next time I come for dinner!

Happy Thanksgiving, Hi!

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....I'll have the music on fer ya.

This is a former Canadian lawyer, now YouTuber. His channel started prior to COVID, but he covered the Canadian truck caravan that shut down the city streets, protesting Canadas Gestapo rulings during that period. Those were extremely friendly protests... more like a party aide from the -20f temperatures. He walked the streets interviewing people, both Truckers and citizens. His fame grew a lot after that
He moved to the US (legally) and now lives in Florida.
A couple weeks ago he added a theme song. It's played at the beginning of his videos. I love it.... Catchy tune.
https://www.youtube.com/live/nw45NdYHSLU?si=SXRGqf3IHh3_AbGc
This is not a typical show for him.
I believe it was a live chat video from yesterday (Thanksgiving). Love chats are always different because YouTubers are reading and responding live. His normal shows aren't like this.
He conservative ... Surprise!

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/st...25/id/1189336/
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In short, it sounds to me like DEI training increases hostility between different groups instead of helping to end prejudice and bigotry.

Floorist said:

In short, it sounds to me like DEI training increases hostility between different groups instead of helping to end prejudice and bigotry

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No good deed or intention goes unpunished ….. Like I said before, it’s not necessarily the reaction or over reaction from different thoughts and actions of a person or group, but more so the push back, or over over reaction, when it could have been ‘ rational understanding ‘ given to that person or group…..

But I’ll dive deeper into that research soon because something is telling me , that information has merit….. Could be that both ideas have merit

Now we just have to find a common standard of respectable communication, so we don’t ever act on reactivity but on critical thought and EQ ! ! ( Emotional Intelligence)

DEI is not new. Many years ago, I applied for an SBA loan and was turned down. Loan officer was very honest and told me that I was the wrong color. Said if I was black, I would have got it. And he was black.