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roman45

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Hi, we are getting a new carpet installed in our frontroom, hallway and den. I'm looking at the contract and it says, "Customer must ensure that heat is running for at least three days at a minimum temperature of 65 degrees before installation can be scheduled." From what I have read online, it's not the best to install carpet when it's cold because of the glue used. Okay, but realistically does this mean it should be 65 or over just when it is being installed? Or does it mean we have to keep it above that temp for a certain amount of time, 24 hrs a day?

It's the middle of winter here and we go down into the 30s overnight. Our wall heater does not keep the whole area above that temp when the temp goes down at night.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
I live in Michigan and have installed 56 years. The first thing we did was crank the thermostat and when installing used hair dryers to help heat the carpet. When cold it is very stiff and gets somewhat like glass depending how cold it is. Actually the mills recomend it be delivered to jobsite 72 hours before installation, but that never happens. So the trick is to get it heated up as fast as you can by taking it into the site before doing the prep work you got to get it acclimated as fast as you can. Oh and they[mills] want the temp to stay the same for 72 hour after installation. For us here in a cold climate hair dryers is the trick.
 
Are you putting glue down carpet in your house? I only ask, because that's not typically how residential carpet is installed. It's usually stretched in over a carpet pad using tack-strip around the perimeter of the rooms. If it's being stretched in, the only adhesive that would come into play would POSSIBLY be the adhesive for the pad if it's over a concrete slab. The pad is often stapled down over wood substrates. In rare situations, they might use an adhesive for the tack strip on a stretch in job, but that's pretty unusual as well.

All of the mills will have the minimum heat requirements just like Daris said. Changing a floor covering material from a cold area to a warm area OR having the temperature fluctuate while you're trying to install it is a significant problem. The material will be stiff and difficult to work with if it's too cold. In addition, while they are working with it, the material will be changing as it warms up. That's why they want the temperature stable for significant periods of time before and after the installation.

I once had a general contractor who had vinyl tile installed in a new construction building in the middle of winter. As soon as the flooring guys finished the install the cheap butt GC turned the heat off and left. It was over concrete, so when they came back in a couple of days later the tile had all released from the floor because it had gotten so cold that the adhesive froze and went dead before it was fully dried. These water-based glues that we use today do not tolerate cold substrates very well and they can "crystalize" and lose bond when they start to approach freezing.

It takes adhesives several days and, in some cases, even weeks to reach its full cure strength. It will get to 90%+ in the first few days, but it can take weeks for it to fully cure. In general most adhesives we use today will take 30-45 days for that last 10% of cure strenght to develop. Lower temps will slow the cure rate down significantly.

Again, I'd be surprised that they are gluing down your carpet, but I guess it's possible. We usually only see glue-down carpet in commercial installations where padding is not being used.

Something else that many don't consider, if it's an on-grade slab, the subfloor temperature will be significantly lower than the ambient conditions above it in cold weather. It's not unusual for the subfloor to be 10-15 degrees colder than the ambient room temperature. This is another reason that many installers will "crank the heat" up above normal because they have to try and raise the temperature of the substrate to a workable temperature. That's also why the VCT failed in my example above. The room was about 40 degrees with the heat shut off, but the slab was about 28 degrees.

I don't think you've got too much to worry about but all the best!
 
Are you putting glue down carpet in your house? I only ask, because that's not typically how residential carpet is installed. It's usually stretched in over a carpet pad using tack-strip around the perimeter of the rooms. If it's being stretched in, the only adhesive that would come into play would POSSIBLY be the adhesive for the pad if it's over a concrete slab.
Yeah, I shouldn't have said glue. I should have said adhesives instead of "glue."
 
Is there an ideal time of year or month that is best for carpet installs without having to crank the heat? I'm assuming it could be done in springtime with no problems.
 
Yeah, what Floor Rep said heating the air for a couple of hours before installation is totally useless. Try doing that heating till the room feels warm......
Now, lay down on the floor for a couple of minutes..... Brrrrr.
Yup, you want the substrate warm, not just the air. Space heaters, hair dryer, and if the carpet can be laying out flat in the rooms for a day.... Just do as good as you can. Carpet would be much happier at 75 degrees than 60.
 
Is there an ideal time of year or month that is best for carpet installs without having to crank the heat? I'm assuming it could be done in springtime with no problems.
If there isn't really a rush or a need, sure... Put it off until it's possible to get closer to the recommend conditions.
If you have a small, new carpet scrap, place a piece on the cold floor or even outside for a half hour, then place it some place warm and toasty or warm it with a hair dryer. It will all make sense at this point.
 

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