Discussing politics and religion

[highup]

Larry elders knows the difference between right and wrong.
There are people that don't regret losing their cool and don't lose one minute of sleep because of their own actions.
I know Sean hannity isn't everybody's cup of tea not necessarily mine all that much either but listen to the discussion and watch the pictures going on behind the scene. These creatures in the video clips are not going to change their ways. This is how they were taught to behave and this is their life. These are the people that need to be changed but..... They're not going to.
Once again listen to Larry explain the problem and what causes it. He's dead on correct.

Imagine trying to convince AOC to increase funding for the police.
You could put her in a room showing these videos 24/7 for a week and she still wouldn't want to increase police funding.
She doesn't need to be talked to, she needs to be removed from any form of power. Sadly the voters keep voting people like this into office and positions of power.
Talking only works with rational people and that includes all us here.

 

[highup]

Getting mad at the media for not reporting stories you think they should be reporting is like getting mad at McDonald’s for not selling hotdogs.

Hotdogs, like the truth, are out there, you just have to go somewhere else to get some cus McDonald’s ain’t in the business of tryin to make money by selling hotdogs.

McDonald's doesn't sell hot dogs?
Well that could be why I don't go there.
...well that, plus the fact that for $2 more you can sit down at a real restaurant to get your burger and fries.

 

[Floorist]

That might work but you don't want to have one person pulling the lever. It would have to be something like the 'like' button on YouTube and forums.
You'd have to find a certain percentage and once it's reached.
......bombs away.
11 people were killed in Chicago and 27 wounded.
Did this make the NY Post?
...nah, just another weekend ruckus in the city.

A middle aged WHITE woman was beat up by 15+ black youths.
Did this make the NY Post?
...nah, wrong race.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-cul...n-teen-takeover-chicago-sparks-outrage-online
A nine year old was shot in the back while riding in a car in DC.
Her race was not mentioned so I'm just going to take a wild guess...
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/9-year-old-shot-in-the-back-in-southeast-dc/3330175/
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/9-year-old-shot-in-the-back-in-southeast-dc/3330175

An 84 year old man had just gone to bed and woke up to someone ringing his doorbell.
For some unknown reason, the old guy felt threatened, so he fired a couple shots through the front door, striking the young BLACK male twice, one grazing his head.
Thankfully this young fella just walked out of the hospital under his own power.
I'm not going to justify the old man but it made the headlines on the New York Post while these other articles did not.
11 people most all of them were probably black, died/murdered and an additional 26 wounded in Chicago...
...this is in one, rather typical weekend, yet that didn't make the news.

I wish the news would lose its ridiculously obvious bias and try to heal rather than divide.
Black on black, not a story.
White on white, not a story.
Black on white not a story.
White on black? Oh Dear
....send out all the reporters and some news trucks, 'caise we have an adjenda to fulfill.

You would be incredible to see the media try to bring people together.
.....for that to happen, Elon musk would have to buy out the rest of the media, and we know that's not going to happen. Sad.

The old man should not have shot the kid, but I understand why he did. The elderly, white and black, are prey for the black thugs in Kansas City. It is not safe for them to go out after dark and not much better in the day time. Older black customers would always tell me to be sure to be gone before dark. They are too afraid to call the police because then it would get worse. I remember an older black man being killed for a hamburger and fries from McDonalds.
I went to a store to pick up carpet one morning down there and police were all over. The elderly store owner had been beaten to death.
The other store I worked for there had a rule, if you drove up to a job and there was a bunch of guys standing out front, you were just to come back to the store.
Twice while leaving a job, I had to show my gun to keep from getting at least mugged., maybe worse.

 

[MSLI]

Larry elders knows the difference between right and wrong.

Both guest on Hannity made good points, they also imho exaggerated, for dramatic
effect, on other points, to make one group look wrong. If Fox and cnn continue to feed us right and wrong, for monetary gain, that exposure will continue to feed into our fight + flight brain, causing conflict, because we pride ourselves, rather than humble ourselves over the concept of being right and doing right.
Believe me my friends, this is a statistical
Risk weighing heavily on the conflict side, rather than on the peaceful one.

Defunding the police is an emotionally exaggerating phrase to help provoke change. It isn’t anything like Socialism ( AKA ‘ Wrong ‘ ) When both side exaggerate through inflammatory language both sides become hindered.
THAT’s WHY WE NEED TO THINK DIFFERENTLY ABOUT EVERYTHING WE SEE AND HEAR ! And when we do that, defund the police brings on a different meaning: RE-ALLOCATE SOME FUNDS INTO DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT EDUCATE POLICE AND CITIZENS ALIKE.

Larry Elders provided two key points, that I’m interpreting as a reason / need to Reallocate a small percentage of the police budget into different projects. Number one, increased crime is due to a breakdown in the family. And number two, lack of individual responsibility.
Thanks Larry ! You just made an argument for, lets try something different.

 

[MSLI]

The old man should not have shot the kid, but I understand why he did. The elderly, white and black, are prey for the black thugs in Kansas City. It is not safe for them to go out after dark and not much better in the day time. Older black customers would always tell me to be sure to be gone before dark

That explanation is a good example of how reality, Truth and Difference remove
The concept of Right and Wrong and the almost tragedy BECOMES A MISTAKE !

 

[havasu]

The old man should not have shot the kid, but I understand why he did. The elderly, white and black, are prey for the black thugs in Kansas City. It is not safe for them to go out after dark and not much better in the day time. Older black customers would always tell me to be sure to be gone before dark. They are too afraid to call the police because then it would get worse. I remember an older black man being killed for a hamburger and fries from McDonalds.
I went to a store to pick up carpet one morning down there and police were all over. The elderly store owner had been beaten to death.
The other store I worked for there had a rule, if you drove up to a job and there was a bunch of guys standing out front, you were just to come back to the store.
Twice while leaving a job, I had to show my gun to keep from getting at least mugged., maybe worse.

Has anyone considered that this kid was actually going in to rob this old guy, and he received lead punishment instead? How easy would it be to concoct a story that this "soon to be" college graduate was just at a wrong address? Had he ever been there before? This whole story sounds fishy to me.

 

[C.J.]

McDonald's doesn't sell hot dogs?
Well that could be why I don't go there.
...well that, plus the fact that for $2 more you can sit down at a real restaurant to get your burger and fries.

I know you’re right but there is no shortage of people just waiting to get their fill of whatever is being served up cheap and fast.

 

[Floorist]

https://www.stltoday.com/news/local...cle_3a7dc7bc-dd5b-11ed-a795-f734f7f7ac49.html
Same prosecutor that the Mo. AG is trying to unseat for dereliction of duties. 2 Black families have sued her over her not prosecuting killers.
She is also being sued by former assistants who say she fired them when they wanted to charge some people with crimes.

 

[Incognito]

1.3 million people have Top Security clearance in our government?

What could possibly go wrong?

Our government is simply too large for it's own good. It's not possible to manage that many human beings.................like herding cats, it's simply not going to work no matter how much you want it to happen. This is the essence of the FAILURE of America. We've grown too big for our britches. We are now the mad King George III trying to manage the over-extended Empire and running in to one after another technical, economic, political and military challenges that are too overwhelming for any empire---------let alone one being led by a mad king or a senile, C student, hack politician.

 

[MSLI]

--let alone one being led by a mad king or a senile, C student, hack politician.

When I started this trade, my work could probably have been described as hack like. Then you add time, experience, education, that propels you further away from hackness. The point is, even Joe has time to improve, and ! even if he remains, in other people’s eyes, hacky , I believe he’s trying to move forward and improve.

 

[highup]

Has anyone considered that this kid was actually going in to rob this old guy, and he received lead punishment instead? How easy would it be to concoct a story that this "soon to be" college graduate was just at a wrong address? Had he ever been there before? This whole story sounds fishy to me.

I think it's pretty much documented that the kid went there just like this story said. You don't shoot through your front door regardless of the circumstances. It's different if they break the door down and come inside your house.
I read the old man was sleeping or was about to go to bed, so this wasn't a broad daylight kind of thing. If it was as reported that the guy woke up to knocks or a doorbell on his front door. He has choices. He most likely has a telephone, so if he's concerned, it's not difficult to call 911.
He could have armed himself and stayed inside the home a safe distance from the front door. It's a young man tried to break down the door and came inside then he would have legal rights to shoot him.
The kid did not try to break down his door so this old fella is in trouble. Shoot first and ask questions later doesn't usually fit into a well ending scenario.
What this may describe to us, is the fear that a lot of people live in because of where they live.
There's that over you saying, if you don't like where you live, move.
Not very many people can just do that.
This is just a sad story for both families having to live through this unfortunate nightmare for the rest of their lives.

 

[highup]

I know you’re right but there is no shortage of people just waiting to get their fill of whatever is being served up cheap and fast.

...... I think fast is accurate. Cheap isn't, well, not anymore.
If you want to know cheap, then go buy a can of chef boyardee ravioli.
I bought a dented can for 49 cents what the heck I haven't had one for 40 years?
Note to self and also warning anybody that's still alive.
Never, never, never, ever, buy Chef Boyardee ravioli. NEVER.
I don't know what brand mom used to buy, but as a kid I liked it.
.....then again, my mom was the kind of cheaped out and made stuff from scratch.

 

[Floorist]

I think it's pretty much documented that the kid went there just like this story said. You don't shoot through your front door regardless of the circumstances. It's different if they break the door down and come inside your house.
I read the old man was sleeping or was about to go to bed, so this wasn't a broad daylight kind of thing. If it was as reported that the guy woke up to knocks or a doorbell on his front door. He has choices. He most likely has a telephone, so if he's concerned, it's not difficult to call 911.
He could have armed himself and stayed inside the home a safe distance from the front door. It's a young man tried to break down the door and came inside then he would have legal rights to shoot him.
The kid did not try to break down his door so this old fella is in trouble. Shoot first and ask questions later doesn't usually fit into a well ending scenario.
What this may describe to us, is the fear that a lot of people live in because of where they live.
There's that over you saying, if you don't like where you live, move.
Not very many people can just do that.
This is just a sad story for both families having to live through this unfortunate nightmare for the rest of their lives.

The police in KC are severely shorthanded. Might have been an hour or more before they came.

 

[Floorist]

Two teens, one 14, one 17, stole a car with a 6 month old in it. They wreck it and kill the baby. They are charged with "criminal trespass". Yes it is Chicago.

 

[highup]

Both guest on Hannity made good points, they also imho exaggerated, for dramatic
effect, on other points, to make one group look wrong. If Fox and cnn continue to feed us right and wrong, for monetary gain, that exposure will continue to feed into our fight + flight brain, causing conflict, because we pride ourselves, rather than humble ourselves over the concept of being right and doing right.
Believe me my friends, this is a statistical
Risk weighing heavily on the conflict side, rather than on the peaceful one.

Defunding the police is an emotionally exaggerating phrase to help provoke change. It isn’t anything like Socialism ( AKA ‘ Wrong ‘ ) When both side exaggerate through inflammatory language both sides become hindered.
THAT’s WHY WE NEED TO THINK DIFFERENTLY ABOUT EVERYTHING WE SEE AND HEAR ! And when we do that, defund the police brings on a different meaning: RE-ALLOCATE SOME FUNDS INTO DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT EDUCATE POLICE AND CITIZENS ALIKE.

Larry Elders provided two key points, that I’m interpreting as a reason / need to Reallocate a small percentage of the police budget into different projects. Number one, increased crime is due to a breakdown in the family. And number two, lack of individual responsibility.
Thanks Larry ! You just made an argument for, lets try something different.

There's nothing wrong with pointing out the problem, pointing fingers at the problem. It's up to the politicians to figure out a way to correct the problem.
They pointed out fatherless homes. Had living in a crime ridden city and add fatherless homes and you don't need anybody to tell you statistics.
https://thefatherlessgeneration.wordpress.com/statistics/Way too many statistics here to fact check but these statistics tell us what we already know.
And some of these heavily crime ridden cities crime needs to stop. That may include a near military police force in those bad areas. Something has to be done to stop the current problem. Lori Lightfoot finally got a boot up her butt, so hopefully something changes there.
After the military / police get rid of the immediate problem there need to be trade schools and dance studios and other things that give kids something to do...... some ray of hope.
Stopping/slowing the flow of drugs by completing the border wall has to be done. The states on the border want it, the border patrol wants it, everyone knows that this will help........ But the left keeps screaming racist as a cheap token to get elected and it somehow works.
Increase penalties for crime, meaning incarceration.
Enforce penalties for a crime,
meaning, stop catch and release.
Liberal district attorneys and governors think if you're nice to criminals, aka revolving door, that being nice to these criminals will make them stop their behavior.
No, it just tells him how easy it is to get away with it and they know they'll get away with it the next time.... and the next and the next and the next.
Until we fix society's problem we need much harsher jail sentences and we need more jails and we need more police.
What's our country is back under control or should I say as we get our country back under control we need to fix the community problems. Like I mentioned before trade schools. What could get kids off the street more than the glow of an arc welder or a TIG welder, or nail guns in a chop saw or thinset and mortar..... Trade schools would give kids an immediate mental feedback by showing kids they can accomplish something physical something they can see something they can be proud of doing themselves. Can anyone here remember the first carpet job they did totally by themselves? I bet it felt pretty good. That's what these kids in the inner cities, the problem areas need. Currently they probably have nothing to do, so that's why they're out on the streets continuing what has been happening for decades.
It takes politicians to make these things happen. Why they can't see this as beyond me. Why they've gotten relax on crime instead of increasing penalties and increasing the police force as a show of force is beyond me.
Larry and Curtis are simply pointing out probably the largest problem our society has. When the family goes down the tank the kids go down the tank and society follows.
If enough people don't keep pointing fingers at the problem then the people in charge will never try to fix it. I can't personally fix these problems, but I can sure point fingers, so I'm doing my part.

 

[JPfloor]

There's nothing wrong with pointing out the problem, pointing fingers at the problem. It's up to the politicians to figure out a way to correct the problem.
They pointed out fatherless homes. Had living in a crime ridden city and add fatherless homes and you don't need anybody to tell you statistics.
https://thefatherlessgeneration.wordpress.com/statistics/Way too many statistics here to fact check but these statistics tell us what we already know.
And some of these heavily crime ridden cities crime needs to stop. That may include a near military police force in those bad areas. Something has to be done to stop the current problem. Lori Lightfoot finally got a boot up her butt, so hopefully something changes there.
After the military / police get rid of the immediate problem there need to be trade schools and dance studios and other things that give kids something to do...... some ray of hope.
Stopping/slowing the flow of drugs by completing the border wall has to be done. The states on the border want it, the border patrol wants it, everyone knows that this will help........ But the left keeps screaming racist as a cheap token to get elected and it somehow works.
Increase penalties for crime, meaning incarceration.
Enforce penalties for a crime,
meaning, stop catch and release.
Liberal district attorneys and governors think if you're nice to criminals, aka revolving door, that being nice to these criminals will make them stop their behavior.
No, it just tells him how easy it is to get away with it and they know they'll get away with it the next time.... and the next and the next and the next.
Until we fix society's problem we need much harsher jail sentences and we need more jails and we need more police.
What's our country is back under control or should I say as we get our country back under control we need to fix the community problems. Like I mentioned before trade schools. What could get kids off the street more than the glow of an arc welder or a TIG welder, or nail guns in a chop saw or thinset and mortar..... Trade schools would give kids an immediate mental feedback by showing kids they can accomplish something physical something they can see something they can be proud of doing themselves. Can anyone here remember the first carpet job they did totally by themselves? I bet it felt pretty good. That's what these kids in the inner cities, the problem areas need. Currently they probably have nothing to do, so that's why they're out on the streets continuing what has been happening for decades.
It takes politicians to make these things happen. Why they can't see this as beyond me. Why they've gotten relax on crime instead of increasing penalties and increasing the police force as a show of force is beyond me.
Larry and Curtis are simply pointing out probably the largest problem our society has. When the family goes down the tank the kids go down the tank and society follows.
If enough people don't keep pointing fingers at the problem then the people in charge will never try to fix it. I can't personally fix these problems, but I can sure point fingers, so I'm doing my part.

Run for president…You have my vote.

Just a note though. Most of the guys you want to put in Jail are the missing fathers… It’s a tough fix for sure.

 

[Incognito]

When I started this trade, my work could probably have been described as hack like. Then you add time, experience, education, that propels you further away from hackness. The point is, even Joe has time to improve, and ! even if he remains, in other people’s eyes, hacky , I believe he’s trying to move forward and improve.

You're pushing the concept of "open mindedness" there MSLI. When we elect a president it's not like hiring an apprentice to demo, haul away and slash in some carpet pad. This schmuck is the "Leader of the Free World". I think he's the worst sort of corrupt, incompetent, HACK politician. That's what I see from every data point I'm aware of-------a long life in the US Senate selling out American interests for his own personal gain. So you want me to give him a pass.?............on the basis of maybe this greasy SOB at the age of 10,594 will suddenly clean up his act, gain 50 IQ points and 1000 SAT points and work in the interests of world peace, democracy and honest government?

Think this through more clearly please. It doesn't seem to me you're making any kind of legitimate points here to defend a corrupt institution. It makes me wonder what your incentive is to defend such obvious incompetence and corruption.

 

[highup]

Run for president…You have my vote.

Just a note though. Most of the guys you want to put in Jail are the missing fathers… It’s a tough fix for sure.

I ain't runnin' for diddly squat. I prefer to stay alive.
As a general rule I don't like to be offensive to anyone. Once in a while customers can be real dicks and still I'm on my polite side regardless of what I think of them.
Myself control of these situations reflects on me and the store if I happen to be having an issues.
I can't speak my peace even when I'm in the right. My biggest concernes are always how my behavior affects the store where I do my work out of. I don't want them to look bad so I always keep my composure.... always.
Same with friends or relatives when I have issues or where we differ, I'm not going to yell and scream or make a big deal because it would affect people I talk to or live around daily.
Now when it comes to politics we're talking a totally different scenario.
I think Joe Biden hands down is by far the worst president the United States has ever had. For that reason I speak negatively toward him. Why, because I love my country.
I think Joe is a patsy for the Democratic party and I believe most of what they stand for is absolutely off the deep end crazy.
Our Constitution and our country has been fine for a couple hundred years. When youve got a well oiled, well running machine, you don't remove parts of it to make 150,000 people "feel" better. You help them and try and make them understand why the current system works the way it is. We are a country that governs by majority. If 240 million Americans are able to vote and 150,000 people feel "disenfranchised" over some issue, that's too bad for them.
You don't make their feelings override the other 239,850,000 people....... to be "fair"
Those people have a problem that they need to overcome somehow, as and they need to find a way to make that happen.
Leave the majority alone.
I don't call out Joe Biden and Democrats simply to be mean, I call them out because everything they're doing is destroying our country, ......in my point of view.
They removed statues in the capital and statues all over the country because people got upset and called them racist.
I call those statues our history. Every single one of those statues was a statue of a democratic statesman... Democrats!
That said, this is our history and those people, good or bad, formed the country and made it what it is today. Name a better country. That said, we've changed. We have gotten better and racism is a tiny portion of our problems these days. It only becomes a problem when somebody shoves it down our throats and insults us by calling us rascists. Shoving controvercial ideas down the throats of the general populous is not a winning concept.
The same problem happens with gays and lesbians and the thems and the theys and the rest of the ABC+quwrtylmnop.
My last sentence explains craziness. That craziness is the biggest problem that I see in our country today.
Our visible weakness as a world power is at the same level of concern. Name a world leader that either fears or respects our current president.... Thanks Joe.
Back to what I said in my last statement that may explain what I mean about craziness craziness.
Most people by far today, except gays lesbians and lgbtq + LMNOP.
Nobody cares anymore. It's not a big deal.
...When they continually pound their sexuality in our face, everywhere, every day, especially in schools where grown men dressing up as women are allowed to go to grade schools for "story time"
This is where the United States has gone crazy.
People that don't know what gender they are or create new words to describe how they feel about their own gender, well those people need help. They need help, and not to be accepted as normal. Treated nicely, treated politely but they need to be taught what is normal and find out why they feel the way they feel. Help them, don't succumb to them and their life issues. This obviously needs to be done with compassion, not teasing these people and not being mean and not humiliating them.

I'll make an exception for Dylan because he's probably laughing his ass off all the way to the bank and enjoying every moment of the controversy.
I hope Budweiser, and has the bush has learned something here. Cater to your base.

Again I understand and accept gay and lesbians and maybe a bit more than that. I do think a lot of it is genetic, not a totally weird concept.
I think out of a few billion genes, if a couple are in the 'wrong' place, young boys will want to play with Barbie instead of GI Joe. I get that, I understand that, and I don't have a problem with it. Decades ago I did but hey it is what it is.
When people stop shoving weird stuff in our faces and demanding that we call them certain things and demanding that we respect them, well then maybe the world couldn't turn back to normal.
They can go to work just like everyone else and not talk about their sex and their preferences and their pronouns.
... I'm so sick of that word I want to barf.
Anyway if I speak ill of Democrats or of Joe Biden, it's because I want people to know what he's doing I want to remind people of what he's doing and I want people to vote differently.
This is one time I want to shove things in people's face.
No way can i speak nicely about him and justify what he's done to this country. He needs to be gone and we need someone better.
Us "regular" people, as friends neighbors and workers customers etc, well on this close and personal level we can all be civil and that is proven by the debates we have on this forum. People have strong points of view here, but nobody gets their panties in a wad and starts yelling and screaming. It's amazing that it works so well that the members of this website can respect each other enough to argue but never take it personally.
I hope that's true because as strong as my viewpoints are simply mine, but I still respect other people's viewpoints.
I'm hoping, but I'm pretty sure that that's true of everyone else here.
Okay I've done enough Friday night ramblings to piss off everybody so I'm just trying to think with my own logic and I really hope things start changing in our country.
We need to start using reasoning and stop using "feelings" to pave our path to the future. China and Russia couldn't give a flying fickle finger of fate about our feelings.

 

[highup]

For anyone confused about my viewpoints, listen to the radio podcast that I listen to to relax.
Chris Plante. Take a little bit of what he says as a grain of salt because of his bias and take a grain of salt to his embellishments or exaggerations that he uses in the sake of humor.
About 99% of what he says I agree with. If you listen to Chris you'll know where I stand.
To me, Chris, with his sharp and whitty humor, filled a void when Rush went....... to wherever he went to. I'm not a religious person so he went, where we went to.
Chris, with his sharpen cutting humor, is extremely biased to the conservative side.
I'm in the middle between conservative and liberal so all I can do is appreciate his humor for what it is.... And it's good because he's such a sharp and fast thinker and a very intelligent man........ Except for his decision to be a CNN reporter back in the day
One thing that Chris does and does it quite often when he speaks negatively towards Democrats, is he consistently refers to extreme leftist views not as Democrats but "the left"
He's telling you that he's talking about the extreme leftists not the average Democrat. He does separate the two.
I listen to him on the podbean app. It's pretty good because you don't get too many if you don't know the guy who haven't heard him before, check him out.
Chris Plante. Depending on your persuasion you're going to love him to death and think he's hilarious or you're going to hate him.

 

[Floorist]

I was reading where Biden does not like the rule preventing trans women from performing in women's sports.
But take Lia Thomas as an example. As a man, his best finish was 462nd. As a woman, he finished 1st.
Thomas has had no surgeries.