Discussing politics and religion

[highup]

Listening to the right wing cynical play-by-play about Rachel Maddow would be worse than me trying to repair your friends car and there’s no way I could ever do that I know you listened to John Anthony but I’m sorry I can’t do it. This type of tomfoolery is done on both sides of most news/fake news, and It’s all fake news when they decide to increase the entertainment value. And now we the people are becoming conditioned to that style. We the people need to hit them up with the three stages of directing.

A correction of the news is a correction, however because we are valuing the entertainment method more than the integrity that’s how BOTH ! current day reporting is done …. We asked for it now we have to ask them to stop.

Every time a new administration enters the White House, they can either take credit for some thing pre-organized by the previous administration or give blame, how’s a fake news reporter supposed to keep up with all of that stuff ? And now with the newly formed one-sided, fake Dog-e team Cutting expenditures already in the works, ( whether needed or not ) this will open a big can of worms every time administrations flip flop the power…. however, I wouldn’t be opposed to a bipartisan expenditure committee and mandatory RUACAT training for all politicians for consistency and civility throughout the years ahead.

When things go as far off the tracks as they have in the past 16 years, a major course correction is necessary. This shakeup was necessary and would never have happened if a 40 year swamp politician had been elected.
This correction was was absolutely needed.

 

[MSLI]

40 year swamp politician had been elected.

The right slanders the left. The left slander the right, this is all free-speech opinions and redirecting each other in a desperate attempt to move towards the center. It’s unfortunate that we the people and the politicians do not have interpersonal communication skills, to accomplish improvements in a healthy manner, so we the people can model their behavior. ……Because !
the bigger picture is when we use language that is not civil then our actions will be not civil….. Just because he labeled the government the deep state, and the swamp doesn’t make it 100% True, there is most definitely an element of swamp rats and people in deep positions who want to milk the system, but to label the entire government in that manner is most certainly incorrect.

 

[highup]

The right slanders the left. The left slander the right, this is all free-speech opinions and redirecting each other in a desperate attempt to move towards the center. It’s unfortunate that we the people and the politicians do not have interpersonal communication skills, to accomplish improvements in a healthy manner, so we the people can model their behavior. ……Because !
the bigger picture is when we use language that is not civil then our actions will be not civil….. Just because he labeled the government the deep state, and the swamp doesn’t make it 100% True, there is most definitely an element of swamp rats and people in deep positions who want to milk the system, but to label the entire government in that manner is most certainly incorrect.

I'd never lable the entire government nor every liberal senator or rep being creatures of the swamp. Some have been there too long. Schumer, Pelosi, The Turtle, Shifty.... they need the boot.
...not Kennedy. He's too entertaining with his mastery of the English language.

 

[MSLI]

when we buy a new car, we must understand the internal components, before we can expect to properly apply them externally.

Don’t believe me, but you may want to believe JD Vance from his Germany summit speech. Paraphrased: The problem is not coming from Russia or China or anyone else externally. The issue is coming from inside or internally.

Even though he’s talking more objective,
It’s my belief, the formula of external internal as a subjective philosophy, can be applied also objectively. ….. in other words if we become confident with ourselves internally, then we will be able to deliver opinions, beliefs, direction and plans that describe improvements to existing problem or status quo, in a manner where the audience with open their ears, and begin to have a willingness to understand and trust those plans. Anything less than that will keep us in conflict and power struggle.

Don’t take my word for it. It came from the vice president’s mouth and as a side note, this morning, Margaret Brennan interviewing little Marco. as it relates to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, he used the words fairness and concessions would need to be applied from both parties to solve the issue.

 

[havasu]

This type of tomfoolery is done on both sides

integrity that’s how BOTH

bipartisan expenditure committee

This post has just proven to me how much of a liberal you really are.
Maybe we should just change your name to Rachel MSNI?

 

[havasu]

....and that's all I have to say about this!

 

[havasu]

For fun, I began reading this section, beginning on page # 1, which was about 10-11 years ago, to read the concerns, the misguided thoughts, the hatred, and the errors we all made. I never realized how much of a Trump hater ol' Nick was. Man, I miss our Godfather here. He would send me some funny jokes, some crude jokes, he was always there to provide IT guidance, and knew his stuff. Well, most stuff!

 

[MSLI]

This post has just proven to me how much of a liberal you really are.
Maybe we should just change your name to Rachel MSNI?

I personally know a progressive liberal, her and her husband moved to France in June, because they saw the hand writing on the walls, and they did not want to be around too, live it. They are the epitome of living in opposites, and not willing to compromise. I perhaps, am willing to compromise. All I need is a respectful opponent to collaborate with.

Personally, the globe is rather small and they can run, but they cannot hide from this type of Behavior…. to label the behavior you guys already know it’s called aggressive behavior rather than assertive. I’ve had conversations with this woman, and I am no way close to her political views. She is way extreme, and in my humble opinion, Maga is the opposite of her, ….we as a human race are not educated enough in emotional Intelligence, so extreme opposites at this time is our go to method.

Little Marco used a word. I forget what that word was, but he said it is not a noun, It is a verb, an action, now ! doesn’t that sound like a liberal. He may not even realize it, but he is educating himself through this conflict process, and we may have some hope. It only takes one person to model a different more functional way. Keep up the good work Ambassador Marco Rubio, and hopefully we can do this reasonably rather than ugly. …..However and perhaps , if we had emotional intelligence from childhood to young adulthood, IMHO, we would have much better politicians, voters and most importantly, adversaries …..like JD Vance alluded to, ( maybe accidentally ) if we all improve awareness towards internal conflict, from within, making sure we get personal affairs in order first, then we can respectfully point the finger at behaviors and policies from others that are less productive and functional than the plans we would like to implement.

Anything less than that keeps us in ugly learning, hopefully learning, rather than lingering conflict.

 

[MSLI]

This post has just proven to me how much of a liberal you really are.
Maybe we should just change your name to Rachel MSNI?

How about instead make it Michael Madnow …. It’s all good in the hood. If we are going to move forward with progress, we need to be able to take a little name-calling without losing our focus on the goal, which is modeling assertiveness not blame, or resentment.

 

[havasu]

I don't resent anyone. Sometimes I do feel sorry for them for being handicapped!

 

[highup]

For fun, I began reading this section, beginning on page # 1, which was about 10-11 years ago, to read the concerns, the misguided thoughts, the hatred, and the errors we all made. I never realized how much of a Trump hater ol' Nick was. Man, I miss our Godfather here. He would send me some funny jokes, some crude jokes, he was always there to provide IT guidance, and knew his stuff. Well, most stuff!

During a phone conversation I brought it up and though his thoughts and feelings were obvious, he wasn't the slightest bit offended my views were 180. Their just viewpoints.

 

[highup]

I don't resent anyone. Sometimes I do feel sorry for them for being handicapped!

You're a horrible person. I'll buy the next round.

 

[MSLI]

I don't resent anyone. Sometimes I do feel sorry for them for being handicapped!

Not being resentful, that’s a good quality, and not everyone can do that. Kudos

However feeling sorry or pity is not the same as empathy. I on AI once again, because it’s so darn easy….. Actually I wouldn’t be surprised if in the future we have to pay for an AI search

 

[MSLI]

I bumped into this article during a search …. Very interesting psychological stuff. This is an excerpt from an article from byline supplement.com

Did Trump actually out-Woke the liberals ?
( that’s my color commentary )

How the liberal left embraces such lessons, without compromising its own integrity or values, is a conundrum without an immediate solution. But one is urgently required.

Because the deeper, more disturbing, truth is that psychic victories matter when they are the only victories there are.

Trump’s border wall with Mexico never needed to be built, because he has constructed a far more sturdy wall in the mind of his supporters, which lives within them, giving them a sense of recognition they have for so long gone without.

Psychotherapist Carl Jung observed that “the best political, social, and spiritual work we can do is to withdraw the projection of our shadow onto others”. Trump is the Shadow Man.

How do you catch a shadow?

Back to Mike’s color, commentary:

I was pleased to see that the journalist included the words External and Internal in the article, however I believe he’s talking about us as a group, rather than individuals, but the concept is the same. And that is : If we as individuals or groups are having an identity crisis, ( IRONICALLY ) then the real issue is not politics it’s psychology and how many people understand psychology ?….. if it’s just the so called leaders and not us voters and they don’t have our best interest in
mind, ( the shadow ) we and the world could be in for a rude awakening and not even realize it.….however, I hope that ‘ could ‘ doesn’t happen….I hope they grow tired of the mental gymnastics and pull a hammy or a groin muscle, and then decide to remove their shadows and become trust worthy for everyone.

If you so desire to read the full article here it is, and if you have a different interpretation of the article, please share.

https://www.bylinesupplement.com/p/the-psycho-social-techno-politics

 

[Floorist]

I bumped into this article during a search …. Very interesting psychological stuff. This is an excerpt from an article from byline supplement.com

Did Trump actually out-Woke the liberals ?
( that’s my color commentary )

How the liberal left embraces such lessons, without compromising its own integrity or values, is a conundrum without an immediate solution. But one is urgently required.

Because the deeper, more disturbing, truth is that psychic victories matter when they are the only victories there are.

Trump’s border wall with Mexico never needed to be built, because he has constructed a far more sturdy wall in the mind of his supporters, which lives within them, giving them a sense of recognition they have for so long gone without.

Psychotherapist Carl Jung observed that “the best political, social, and spiritual work we can do is to withdraw the projection of our shadow onto others”. Trump is the Shadow Man.

How do you catch a shadow?

Back to Mike’s color, commentary:

I was pleased to see that the journalist included the words External and Internal in the article, however I believe he’s talking about us as a group, rather than individuals, but the concept is the same. And that is : If we as individuals or groups are having an identity crisis, ( IRONICALLY ) then the real issue is not politics it’s psychology and how many people understand psychology ?….. if it’s just the so called leaders and not us voters and they don’t have our best interest in
mind, ( the shadow ) we and the world could be in for a rude awakening and not even realize it.….however, I hope that ‘ could ‘ doesn’t happen….I hope they grow tired of the mental gymnastics and pull a hammy or a groin muscle, and then decide to remove their shadows and become trust worthy for everyone.

If you so desire to read the full article here it is, and if you have a different interpretation of the article, please share.

https://www.bylinesupplement.com/p/the-psycho-social-techno-politics

The wall needed to be built. Some of those coming across illegally are gang members and criminals from other countries. There have been numerous cases of violent crime done by the illegals that Biden let cross. Read about Laken Riley. A young lady who was murdered by an illegal, who should have already been in jail.

 

[havasu]

...but, if I may, I would like to think as MSNI for a moment (yes, just a brief moment),

Who really failed Laken Riley? Was it truly the open borders, or was it more to do with a failed system, where we failed to punish the criminal in the first place? Had he been penalized for hopping the border in the first place, rather than just sending him back home, would Laken still be alive?

 

[MSLI]

Who really failed Laken Riley? Was it truly the open borders, or was it more to do with a failed system,

Bingo ! Yahtzee, the survey said !

The system is the human System !

Like Highup said, in many posts previously.….Tooo many people talking and not enough people listening, and taking the time to understand each other.

Understanding allows us to be reasonable, but we have to possess it in order to give it, and that needs to be practiced on a daily basis, but as humans do not like to practice.

The article was not looking at the border wall literally ( even though that is very important ) The article was talking about a psychological wall Trump constructed around himself, and the Maga followers . He leveraged our need for identity and longing for a better way, and then hooked us in by blame and ridicule against Biden policies and progressive liberals, who demanded RUACAT to be given to them externally, and that’s barking up an unreceptive tree ….we don’t care about you and your feelings because we are too busy, aggressively caring about our feelings.

OK this quote may make it in the history books :

If I don’t care about your feelings and you don’t care about my feelings about not caring about your feelings then we remain stuck in conflict. someone has to care first.

The point the reporter was trying to make is by using the combination of ridicule and what he branded as policy failures, true or untrue, because It doesn’t matter in propaganda world of free speech. This style of stoking up emotions, any chance he gets ( alway ) and Utilizing social media too as per his son Barron’s advice around the dinner table, builds an impenetrable wall around him, or like the psychotherapist said…. he’s shadow man.

In conclusion: It really is unfortunate about Lincoln Riley may she rest in peace but in a nutshell one could say Biden failed Lincoln Riley when she was alive, and Trump failed Lincoln Riley after her death and we are all but pawns in the chess game of emotional psychological stoking.

Psychology can be used for good or for bad and many areas in between. I had to put that in between, otherwise you guys would’ve called me on it. Hey Mike, you’re living in opposites you don’t practice what you preach. … Yes ! Sometimes

If we understand psychology a little more, we begin to understand the psychological manipulation just after biting into the bait, AND FEELING THE HOOK Then we have a chance to spit it out, otherwise, you’re going for a ride

External pulls are very strong that’s why it’s important to have sound internal foundation that resists against the pulling temptation.

 

[havasu]

Trump failed Lincoln Riley after her death

How so?

 

[MSLI]

In conclusion: It really is unfortunate about Lincoln Riley may she rest in peace but in a nutshell one could say Biden failed Lincoln Riley when she was alive, and Trump failed Lincoln Riley after her death and we are all but pawns in the chess game of emotional psychological stoking.

Sorry ! Another long, winded reply,

Let’s keep that ‘ COULD ‘ argument in its psychological context, or as that reporter called it : psycho, social, techno politics, so as to understand it from that perspective.

when our candidates play into emotional psychology, they are doing so to get votes, rather than actually making improvements that count. ( however, that is an assumption and that needs to be taken as such as we continue to discuss ) Why would they do that? Because some surveys show that we vote based on emotions, feelings, the gut ! On which candidate brings more hope and inspiration, to the country. We listen to policies and take them into consideration, but like I said, most of the surveys say, we vote emotionally rather than analytically . We really can’t blame them and their marketing campaign teams for pitting us against each other, but don’t you think we can do better and that we need to do better ?

Had Joe Biden ignored the feel good special interest groups and progressive thinkers, he would have kept trumps border policies in place. Then ! maybe, the Republicans would have been on board, if Biden modified the border policy, addressing Democrats concerns.

On the flipside of that coin , Mr. Trump and his marketing campaign team IMHO exploited, Lincoln Riley‘s death to stoke emotions and get votes. ( can you blame him ) This is real world tragedy unfolding in front of us that seemingly has a definite cause and effect outcome. However if we dive deeper into the cause, we could see that we are all responsible due to the human system that makes mistakes. He could have expressed the dysfunction in Congress with both parties. Both unwilling to work together for the common good of its citizens. IMHO, he would have still procured votes by telling the Lincoln Riley story, but it would have modeled bipartisanship. A real presidential quality that in my humble opinion, the country needs. That is my biggest gripe. it’s not what he’s doing it’s the how

do yourself a favor for the next week or two, observe some of your family, friends, neighbors and coworkers and try to analyze their personalities …are they passive looking after others needs rather than themselves or could they be aggressive looking after their own needs and disregarding others or perhaps, maybe if you’re lucky you’ll find someone who is assertive, a person who looks after their needs but also respects the needs of others. Good luck on the search.
1 out of 10 is probably the ratio and that’s why we have dysfunction.

 

[MSLI]

Had Joe Biden ignored the feel good special interest groups and progressive thinkers, he would have kept trumps border policies in place. Then ! maybe, the Republicans would have been on board, if Biden modified the border policy, addressing Democrats concerns.

Not ever impasse has a compromise, but the template to find one, needs not be compromised for political purposes.

If a soldier takes an oath to honor the flag more than himself, the least a politician can do is take an oath of unification over
Partisanship.