Discussing politics and religion

[highup]

It’s times like these ( Heightened Awareness) when some messages appear valid or at least some consideration. I’m talking about
“ Shoulding all over ourselves “ ….

How does it feel havasu, if I say, we should never use the word should. ? …. The feeling would probably be almost instantaneously one of defensiveness. Then maybe a feeling to release all the bodily fluids one has onto that ‘ Shoulder person or group’ ….and In this example, that would be me I definitely would be the looser

…… We are never, like ‘highup’ says,
( the king defender of Win or Lose ) ever going to eliminate this learning necessity, to move forward. However,
In closing: and it’s this simple, the replacement word ‘ Could ‘ for
‘ Should ‘ allows us to become bipartisan in politics. Otherwise we will continue to battle our differences of ideals and continue racing to the bottom….I edited out all that other racing mumbo jumbo stuff I can get a bit carried away

Now your chance to edit for a chance of bipartisanship

We don't need no stinkin' bipartisanship now, do we?
....muahaaaaaa

Tell Sonny Huston, Houston....
to get TF Off her racist bullshit.
Kamala is an idiot, not qualified even remotely as a leader. No relatable platform. No specifics on afore mentioned unrelatable platform. No plan and what she had was either vague or it was handing out candy and punishing successful people, businesses and corporations.
That is why she lost.

Sonny said that 90% of black women voted for Kamala, but only 50% of white women did......
....then one second later, that racist POS added the words ... "non-college-educated white women"
........ it's perfectly fine for black women to make racist statements....

I wonder if Trump would have said:
"I don't understand why 90% of black women didn't vote for me...... UNEDUCATED BLACK WOMEN"

YA THINK THE PRESS WOLD HAVE IGNORED HIS COMMENT?

THEY ARE STILL THE WHINING, COMPLAINING, RACIST FAKE MEDIA.

Trump accurately coined the term years ago, and as of today it still fits them as comfortably as Archie bunkers chair.

They just won't learn. People despise them and their hate filled rhetoric. The election told them so, but they just won't accept and acknowledge the damage they have done with their "boy who yelled wolf" rhetoric.
STOP IT and try to bring people together...... Yo ass just got whooped by a wire brush dipped in acetone..... and you still say this stuff?
There will never be hope until the left stops launching the terms racist, homophobe, fascist, Hitler etc every time they get their panties in a wad.
We're tired of it.
That's why you lost and made history yesterday as the historically "Hugest" losers in American history.

(FYI, 100% my rant is aimed at the fake media)

Damn, that felt good.
Group hug

 

[MSLI]

Last night on News Max, Cuomo , O’ Reilly, and Steven A Smith summed it up very well, and a lot of what you just said, they validated with more fancy pants words and was slightly more eloquent.

When you get a chance you really should address the concept of minimizing Should, if not for “ we don’t need your stinking bipartisanship “ …..do it for the minimization of elevated cortisol levels.

Back onto the beat down: The radical, shocking, rhetoric and behavior of the Progressive minority got branded onto the whole Democratic Party, and Kamala’s messaging did not disassociate enough from that. Maybe I was filtering more of that stuff out than I realized, …. Maybe out bullying bullish ideals is a method to embrace. …. I wonder if the improvement I’ve been seeking is already here.

 

[MSLI]

Tell Sonny Huston, Houston....
to get TF Off her racist bullshit.

Ok ! Point counter point….. When humans ( Sonny Houston ) take the bait of a criticizing comedian or an exaggerated politician/ celebrity, exploiting decorum norms, chances are, no matter how talented you think you are, that hook gets set and defending yourself gets interrupted ( by Highup and many many many others ) as RACIST BULL. It’s a Doggy dog / Fishy fish world out there, and expecting ( Shoulds ) decorum from any opposition, appears to be, in this new social media culture, more fuel for the fire. Maybe it’s time to rethink how we battle rhetorically with each other

How do we, like in a Forrest fire, remove the fuel in front of us so it burns out . Suggestions please, and how about we get some fresh faces into this discussion on communication.

Okay ! Now it’s time to address the Republican Elephant in the room…..Race and Gender and Chris Cuomo briefly mentioned something about it, but ! It’s a very fuel intensive hot topic, so media outlets will probably stay clear.

Hopefully the first paragraph primed you all up enough to consider what I’m going to say, in a different, intended way ?…..here goes nothing PS > I may need Highups investigating skills on the census accuracy, because details are not my thing. White people make up the majority of the USA out of all the races. DJT, went there with his Rhetoric and whether we want to admit that or not, internal biases got activated at different levels onto different people. Not racism ! But internal bias, can you see that difference, because it’s as natural as it can get. The recognition of our differences will never end, because it’s natural. However ! exploiting Race, Gender, Ethnicity, Sexuality etc etc, on that scale, rather than fully focusing on Economics, Border Security, etc etc, ( the topics that really matter ) is IMHO playing the game of the fishermen’s
baiting tactics. We can do better because it stinks out there to the high heavens.

In closing :
Rightfully so, all messaging is subjective to different audiences and some of this unconventional Sexuality needs addressing. BUT ! As I said in the first paragraph, we must advance our communication skills, so as not to play into the hands of unscrupulous fishermen on both sides.
Our choice made on Election Day for DJT
may actually turn out to be the improvement or what I’ll call ‘ Risk Reward ‘ we needed ?

Now let’s get out there in our everyday lives and not emulate that style, but learn how two types of communication skills are important # 1 > Speak respectfully as much as possible and
# 2 > Listen to disrespectful communication without taking the offensive Bait.

 

[havasu]

So, now I hear we never voted for a felon, since they are all dropping previous charges?

 

[highup]

So, now I hear we never voted for a felon, since they are all dropping previous charges?

I don't see no stinkin' charges. "Poof", gone.

 

[highup]

Last night on News Max, Cuomo , O’ Reilly, and Steven A Smith summed it up very well, and a lot of what you just said, they validated with more fancy pants words and was slightly more eloquent.

When you get a chance you really should address the concept of minimizing Should, if not for “ we don’t need your stinking bipartisanship “ …..do it for the minimization of elevated cortisol levels.

Back onto the beat down: The radical, shocking, rhetoric and behavior of the Progressive minority got branded onto the whole Democratic Party, and Kamala’s messaging did not disassociate enough from that. Maybe I was filtering more of that stuff out than I realized, …. Maybe out bullying bullish ideals is a method to embrace. …. I wonder if the improvement I’ve been seeking is already here.

I'm not college educated like Sonny Hostin, or whatever her name is, so eloquence isn't part of my written language.
She's a racist obviously, by the way she spoke in such a demeaning way towards the stupid white trash.
(Not her words, but not really any different). She could have reade the percentages of black women for Harris and the percentage of white women for Harris, them entered into a discussion of what caused this.
Nope, straight to racism, then poking white women ..... I mean non college educated, white women.... with a vengeful fork, and twisting it.
I'd love after that comment, to make her to show the percentage of those 90 % of black women voting for Harris that were college educated.
.....compare the percentage of each group.

Sorry for my intensity, but I speak from my heart.
My anger is directed at people in power and control that control narratives that brainwash the college educated.... I'm talking, The View, MSDNC, CNN, late night hosts.
They have an EXTREME influence and they abuse it with no shame, all marching towards division and one party rule... Tow the party line Democrat mouthpieces one and all.
....and to think people FINALLY wised up against that virtually insurmountable object.
The Republicans won big. They have nothing to work on.
The Democrats and the media have some very serious soul searching to do right now.
....NOT blasting un college educated white women.
....it might be worth asking why so many black women voted for her.
Could it be ....racism and sexism against white men? I'm betting that's actually the #1 reason.
Democrats need to figure out how to get back to reality instead of being nasty name calling radicals. Nazi, Hitler, and fascist... those words shouldn't be used against political rivals during a campaign as a weapon.

 

[MSLI]

The Republicans won big. They have nothing to work on.

I gave you thumbs up because the passion and messaging against Sonny’s messaging may be accurate, and it was explained really well, but then again maybe not 100 % …. If she’s reacting after taking the bait, it’s because she’s human like the rest of us and susceptible to overreactions. This understanding SHOULD ! ( I mean Could ) be the catalyst we use to slow down the mouth, discern with the ears, head and heart, and then respond. It doesn’t matter who called who a Racist or Fascist First, it only matters who is going to take responsibility to NOT TAKE THE BAIT and start considering to try life differently tomorrow from today.

 

[MSLI]

I gave you thumbs up because the passion and messaging against Sonny’s messaging may be accurate, and it was explained really well, but then again maybe not 100 % …. If she’s reacting after taking the bait, it’s because she’s human like the rest of us and susceptible to overreactions. This understanding SHOULD ! ( I mean Could ) be the catalyst we use to slow down the mouth, discern with the ears, head and heart, and then respond. It doesn’t matter who called who a Racist or Fascist First, it only matters who is going to take responsibility to NOT TAKE THE BAIT and start considering to try life differently tomorrow from today.

Thanks for the thumbs up havasu

Following up on the baiting concept, as it relates to intentions. Can we ever be 100% sure that an opponent is intentionally baiting us to provoke an intended reaction that plays into their hands. ? ….Also, Is it possible that internal bias or old unhealed wounds from the past, could be the reason we feel baited into a reaction we not necessarily wanted to have ? …. Time to take a break from it all, maybe get a camera and focus more clearly on some birds, rather than why us humans can be such Richard’s ( Me Included )

 

[highup]

I gave you thumbs up because the passion and messaging against Sonny’s messaging may be accurate, and it was explained really well, but then again maybe not 100 % …. If she’s reacting after taking the bait, it’s because she’s human like the rest of us and susceptible to overreactions. This understanding SHOULD ! ( I mean Could ) be the catalyst we use to slow down the mouth, discern with the ears, head and heart, and then respond. It doesn’t matter who called who a Racist or Fascist First, it only matters who is going to take responsibility to NOT TAKE THE BAIT and start considering to try life differently tomorrow from today.

Thanks..... Reality just hasn't sunk in for her. The wound is severe and fresh, so she's just lashing out without thinking.
Now.....if a week goes by and she's still spewing stupidity.... that will tell who she really is. (I already know, does she?)

 

[DarisMulkin]

So, now I hear we never voted for a felon, since they are all dropping previous charges?

Did you expect anything less? That I think was a given.

 

[MSLI]

So, now I hear we never voted for a felon, since they are all dropping previous charges?

Did you expect anything less? That I think was a given.

Amateur analysis
O-Boy !
havasu’s statement is Sarcasm and Daris answered it straight. ( I think) When the two are misaligned we have misaligned communication.

How do we realign ? …..maybe by asking questions before speaking. Not sarcastically , but genuinely. Find the secret sauce that works for you, in order to realign. Both parties have a responsibility, not only to themselves, but also with the other person or party. IN OTHER WORDS NO BAITING PLEASE ! And if the other person takes an unintended bite, notice that, and help them get back to neutral, rather than gasing it up around and around until they or we both Crash.

Bonus material, not required to read

let’s face it, everything I’m saying here is toooooo detailed to bring to every conversation day in and day out. That’s why it’s so important to simplify it down to the LCD’s ( lowest common denominator’s ) RESPECT, Kindness, and a willingness to grow or improve. If this point and statement doesn’t resonate with you in any way shape or form, it will be difficult to see as intended. Maybe one could even say, “ setting the hook to oneself “ Chris Cuomo had a good one the other night….. When we point to someone, it’s one finger at them and 4 fingers at us. ….. what can we do to improve, rather than compete against our
difference.

 

[havasu]

My statement was not sarcasm.

You know they say about "assuming"?

 

[MSLI]

Sorry! …. An Ass out of you and me. It’s funny how the English language can give us such obvious answers right there in front of us. What can I do to make up for that ? Anything come to mind ?

Back on topic :

So, now I hear we never voted for a felon, since they are all dropping previous charges?

Is that because it fell into the hands
Of The court of public opinion ? And even if he was or is, isn’t it amazing how we have the capacity to forgive and move forward as best as possible. And that message is actually addressed to MAGA supporters, not the opposition. That’s another story.

 

[havasu]

MAGA
Make America Great Again.
Why is this a trigger for the left?
Don't they want America to be the greatest country in the world?
Are they so lopsided that they want America to fail?
As many liberals once told me, "If you don't like this country the way it is, then move."
Are you serious?

Sorry, I'm a bit frisky today. Being a direct descendant to my Great x 7 Grandfather John Smith and Pocahontas, my reply is... I am home.

 

[highup]

Amateur analysis
O-Boy !
havasu’s statement is Sarcasm and Daris answered it straight. ( I think) When the two are misaligned we have misaligned communication.

How do we realign ? …..maybe by asking questions before speaking. Not sarcastically , but genuinely. Find the secret sauce that works for you, in order to realign. Both parties have a responsibility, not only to themselves, but also with the other person or party. IN OTHER WORDS NO BAITING PLEASE ! And if the other person takes an unintended bite, notice that, and help them get back to neutral, rather than gasing it up around and around until they or we both Crash.

Bonus material, not required to read

let’s face it, everything I’m saying here is toooooo detailed to bring to every conversation day in and day out. That’s why it’s so important to simplify it down to the LCD’s ( lowest common denominator’s ) RESPECT, Kindness, and a willingness to grow or improve. If this point and statement doesn’t resonate with you in any way shape or form, it will be difficult to see as intended. Maybe one could even say, “ setting the hook to oneself “ Chris Cuomo had a good one the other night….. When we point to someone, it’s one finger at them and 4 fingers at us. ….. what can we do to improve, rather than compete against our
difference.

One thing about Cumo's comment.
4 fingers were pointed at Trump to lose, but he over came those odds. Pretty impressive.
The Democrats raised more money and they had free "advertising" positive spin from CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, all late night show hosts and Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Cardi B, Michael Moore and Robert De Nero
Trump had Fox, Lee Greenwood and very late on the game, Elon Musk on his side...... yet turned this election upside down in an absolutely stunning and historical fashion.
Speaking of against all odds.
The Democrats now know what people consider important in their lives. They need to get back to center to become viable.

 

[highup]

MAGA
Make America Great Again.
Why is this a trigger for the left?
Don't they want America to be the greatest country in the world?
Are they so lopsided that they want America to fail?
As many liberals once told me, "If you don't like this country the way it is, then move."
Are you serious?

Sorry, I'm a bit frisky today. Being a direct descendant to my Great x 7 Grandfather John Smith and Pocahontas, my reply is... I am home.

You know we were in trouble when scared and angered some people.

 

[highup]

How come the flag is round in my comment?
.....that scares me.

 

[havasu]

How come the flag is round in my comment?
.....that scares me.

Yes, that is weird!

 

[MSLI]

That’s a lot to unpack point by point but maybe easy to understand as a whole. The winning and loosing doesn’t negate the way it happened…… To be continued after wood splitting, running out of day light, but thanks for taking the time to share all those good and valid points. I’ll do my best to frame them up into there proper categories. It might be getting deep in here, keep your boots close by.

 

[highup]

This is absolutely worth the listen to understand our change in leadership. It's 15 minutes long.
The world wide positive impact in just two or three days of Trump being elected is off the charts. Very well done compilation of events in this video.