Gun free zone

[Floorist]

When Obama gave the CDC $10,000,000 to study gun violence

Here are some key findings from the CDC report, “Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence,” released in June:

1. Armed citizens are less likely to be injured by an attacker:

2. Defensive uses of guns are common: "...more than 3 million per year…"

3. Mass shootings and accidental firearm deaths account for a small fraction of gun-related deaths, and both are declining:

4. “Interventions” (i.e, gun control) such as background checks, so-called assault rifle bans and gun-free zones produce “mixed” results:

5. Gun buyback/turn-in programs are “ineffective” in reducing crime:

6. Stolen guns and retail/gun show purchases account for very little crime:

7. The vast majority of gun-related deaths are not homicides, but suicides:

 

[Floorist]

Social engineering.

Listen to the arguments here and elsewhere in the gun control debate.
Both sides pro gun and anti gun.

Anti gun crowd is compelled by emotions and superstition.
Pro gun crowd is compelled by facts, logic, and leaves emotion at the door.

Both arguments are incompatible.

Take that CDC data I posted. Take the anti gun crowd argument of kids finding guns and killing themselves/their peers.
Look at the data posted. What does it say?
Accidental discharge of a firearm.
Age brackets
Under 1 year old-1
1-4 years old-22
5-14 years old-26
15-24 years old-109
That's 158 deaths as a result of accident/negligence. If you take their prior arguments made here and elsewhere that gun owners are a minority and comprise only 30% of the United States Population of 323 million, that is 96,900,000 households that have firearms. 96 million, 900 thousand. Put the emotions and concerns aside from the spread of manufactured fear via inflammatory news reports. Calculate the risk in a percentage. 158 is what % of 96,900,000?
It comes out to be 0.00016305469556243552% chance that if you own firearms and include 18-24 year olds their risk of succumbing death as a result of accident/negligence/unsafe improper handling of a firearm, less than 1% chance of death. Doesn't fit the anti gun crowds arguments with kids being bullet magnets and dying in massive numbers now does it?

All things being relevant to accidents, how many kids die in car accidents and drownings?
CDC reports drownings/Accidental submersion.
Age brackets
Under 1 year old-29
1-4 years old-388
5-14 years old-230
15-24 years old-507.
That's a total of 1,154 deaths to drowning if we include 18-24 year olds in the CDCs flawed data of age brackets.
Bodies of water are what % more deadly than firearms?
Solve for X. 1,154 is what % of 158?
730.379746835443% more deadly than firearm accidents. Where's the screeching for common sense river, lake, creek, stream, pool, pond, bathtub control?! 730% more deadly than a household with firearms!

Automobile accidents.
Under 1 year old-68
1-4 years old-405
5-14 years old-829
15-24 years old-6,709
That's a total of 8,011 deaths in automobile accidents if we include 18-24 year olds in the CDCs flawed data of age brackets.
Automobiles are what % more deadly than firearms?
Solve for X. 8,011 is what % of 158?
5070.2531645569625% more deadly than firearm accidents.
Where's is the screeching for common sense car control?

Homicide. CDC rankings for the top 113 ways to die in this nation.
Looking at the PDF file I downloaded from the CDC.
Firearm homicides and firearm Accidental discharges do not rank in the top 10. The top 20. The top 30.

Where do firearms rank?
Coming in at #100 Accidental discharge of a firearm. A grand total of 461.
Coming in at #105 Intentional self-harm (suicide) by discharge of firearms. A grand total of 21,386
Coming in at #107 homicide/assault with a firearm. A grand total of 11,008.

Know what the number 1 rank of death according to the CDC is?
Salmonella infections. Keep eating at Chipotle. Don't have Feinstein screech about high capacity infectious burritos.

 

[Floorist]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/0...oxnews/national+(Internal+-+US+Latest+-+Text)

 

[Floorist]

Washington state is trying to outlaw all semi autos. Bo one under 21 could posses a firearm, so they could not hunt either.

 

[Floorist]

yes, Democrats would like to ban guns

"Banning guns is an idea whose time has come." - then-Senator Joseph Biden; quoted by AP, 1993-11-18

Officials in Deerfield, Ill., unanimously approved the ordinance, which prohibits the possession, manufacture or sale of a range of firearms, as well as large-capacity magazines. Police in Deerfield will have the power to confiscate banned weapons and destroy them after determining they were not needed as evidence. - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.9f5b32b0aa01 - published April 5, 2018

"Yes, I'm denying you your rights." - Tom Bradley (Los Angeles Mayor), on constitutional rights at a "Save the Brady Bill" rally; from article by Steve Comus, Western Outdoor News, 1992-09-04

"We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that .... If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime." - Mary Ann Carlson (Vermont state Senator)

Police seize first firearms under Florida's new gun-control laws - http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/br...316-story.html - published April 20, 2018

"We need much stricter gun control, and eventually we should bar the ownership of handguns except in a few cases." - William L. Clay (US Representative, D-MO, St. Louis); "NRA-Backed Measure May Derail Brady Bill", by Robert L. Koenig, St. Louis Post Dispatch, p. 1A, 1993-05-08

"And we should - then every community in the country could then start doing major weapon sweeps and then destroying the weapons, not selling them." - Bill Clinton (US President)

"If it was up to me, no one but law enforcement officers would own handguns ...." - Richard Daley (Chicago Mayor); Federal gun legislation press conference in Washington, D.C., 1998-11-13

"You know I don't believe in people owning guns, only the police and military. And I'm going to do everything I can to disarm this state." - Michael Dukakis (Massachusetts Governor); in conversation with Mike Yacino (Massachusetts Gun Owners' Action League) and Roy Innis (Congress of Racial Equality), 1986-06-16

"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them ... 'Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in,' I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here." - Dianne Feinstein (US Senator, D-CA); 60 Minutes, 1995-02-05

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State". - Heinrich Himmler

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms." - Adolf Hitler; Edict of March 18, 1938.

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal. - Janet Reno (US Attorney General), 1993-12-10

 

[highup]

Scary stuff. Notice they don't talk about it openly these days.

 

[Floorist]

We did have one Democratic candidate for governor here who was endorsed by the NRA, and he still lost to a guy who won and soon resigned rather than be indicted for corruption.

 

[highup]

...note to self. Don't corrupt.

 

[Floorist]

...note to self. Don't corrupt.

He cheated on his wife and also got caught stealing a donor's list from a veteran's charity and using it to solicit campaign money. They dropped the charges if he would resign. So he got off easy. Oh, he was a Republican, actually he was a Democrat for years, was even a delegate who voted for Obama at the convention. He changed parties to run for governor. The guy who lost was a Repub who became a Demo to run.

 

[Ernesto]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ban-semi-automatics-half-want-to-ban-all-guns
Snip: "YouGov found that 73 percent of self-identified Democrats “strongly” favor banning semi-automatic firearms. The survey found that an additional nine percent “somewhat” favor a ban of that sort."

"Fifty-three percent of Republican respondents said they’d oppose such a ban"


"There is, however, a moment of bipartisan consensus to be found in YouGov’s data. When respondents were asked if people with a “history of mental illness” should be prohibited from owning a firearm, both Republicans and Democrats said “yes.”

Eighty-six percent of Democratic respondents said they supported the idea, while 81 percent of Republicans said the same.

How we plan for authorities to define “mental illness,” or when a person should be found as sufficiently “ill” as to bar them from exercising their Second Amendment rights is going to a very fun and rewarding conversation when we get to it."

Not far off, looks like a close majority in both houses. It's difficult to pin down the mental illness problem. Lots of borderline mental people, and ones that have never been properly diagnosed that could go off any second.
For me it is a personal security issue, like if some neo-nazi's want to take over then well, I ain't on their side and there will be lead flying.

 

[Floorist]

Well since someone would have to be nuts to run for congress....hmmm.

 

[Ernesto]

HOW AND WHY GUN CONTROL STARTED - RONNIE REAGAN

https://www.history.com/news/black-...dwWHmu4aEsTjLY-zyM1J_CUcfa_UEuwPCyNXk2_IXJgfM

 

[highup]

Good guys have guns too. Imagine if they didn't.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/alabama-mcdonalds-gunman-killed-by-armed-dad-who-is-injured-in-shootout

 

[Floorist]

Left wing politicians have said high capacity magazines make them full auto. They think magazines are cartridges. "Turn 'em all in America" Feinstein thinks the 223 makes a wound like a coke can and says things like "multi-automatic rounds" whatever that is supposed to mean.

They definitely don't know basic things like that firearm crimes are at a 30 year LOW, there is no "epidemic of gun violence" outside of Hollywood or that 2/3 of deaths by firearm are suicides. They really don't want to admit that 5% of counties (dem controlled counties) account for over 2/3 of all homicides in the US, over half in just 2% of counties. The US doesn't have a problem, some liberal dominated areas have a problem but it isn't guns causing it.

 

[Floorist]

Some states with strictest gun laws also have most dangerous cities"

"One of the top ten states with the most restrictive gun laws in the country is Illinois, where last year there were 650 murders in Chicago alone, according to a USA Today's compilation of crime data."


"In Maryland, another state with some of the strictest gun laws in the country, Baltimore had 343 murders last year and has highest per capita murder rate in the nation. The city was also just named the most dangerous city in America by USA Today."


https://wwmt.com/news/nation-world/s...ngerous-cities

 

[Floorist]

26 Step FIREARMS REFRESHER COURSE

1. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
2. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.
3. Colt: The original point and click interface.
4. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.
5. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?
6. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.
7. "Free" men do not ask permission to bear arms.
8. If you don't know your rights you don't have any.
9. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.
10. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights reserved.
11. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?
12. The Second Amendment is in place in case the politicians ignore the others.
13. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.
14. Guns only have two enemies: rust and politicians.
15. Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
16. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.
17. 911 - government sponsored Dial-a-Prayer.
18. Assault is a behavior, not a device.
19. Criminals love gun control -- it makes their jobs safer.
20. If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.
21. Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.
22. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.
23. Enforce the "gun control laws" we ALREADY have, don't make more.
24. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.
25. The American Revolution would never have happened with gun control.
26. "A government of the people, by the people, for the people..."

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

 

[highup]

They come in handy once in a while.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/south-ca...home-invader-i-wouldve-killed-him-if-i-had-to

 

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[Ernesto]

Agreed Floorist, however I know the majority of us gun owners on both sides agree we need to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally unstable. That is a big problem.
Let me just say, why is it easier to own a gun than it is to vote these days?