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Here's a nice little rug i picked up when in Peru last year. Their weaving skill is so amazing you'd a thought that PDR is real.
 
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California gun control, a failure

'Gun-Control' Fails in California ... and We Lose

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What we now know about 'gun-control'-

This recent report on 'gun-control' was issued by a number of academics, including the researcher funded by the state of California in their Violence Prevention Research Program. This is hardly a right wing policy piece purchased by gun manufacturers. The report compared data from California with data from other states that did not enact 'gun-control' laws. Rates of homicide with a gun and suicide did not decrease in California compared to those other states used as a control group. There was no significant difference despite the 'gun-control' laws being in place for more than a quarter century. Mandated background checks for all firearms purchases didn’t reduce crime or suicide. Prohibiting people with misdemeanor offenses from buying guns didn’t reduce crime or suicide in California.
 
What Trump signed

The signed ATF regulation:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...Final-Rule.pdf


The definition itself states:

A "machinegun", "machine pistol", "submachinegun", or "automatic
rifle" is a firearm which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot,
automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the
trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part
designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and
intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of
parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or
under the control of a person.

For purposes of this definition, the term "automatically" as
it modifies "shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot," means
functioning as the result of a self-acting or self-regulating mechanism that allows the
firing of multiple rounds through a single function of the trigger; and "single function of
the trigger" means a single pull of the trigger and analogous motions. The term
"machinegun" includes a bump-stock-type device, i.e., a device that allows a semiautomatic firearm to shoot more than one shot with a single pull of the trigger by
harnessing the recoil energy of the semi-automatic firearm to which it is affixed so that
the trigger resets and continues firing without additional physical manipulation of the
trigger by the shooter.



According to this reg, any gun that has a bump stock is a "machine gun". A "machine gun" also includes the receiver of such weapon or any weapon that shoots, is designed to shoot or can be readily restored to shoot (full auto).

Another set of ATF rulings and their long-standing stance is "once a machine gun, always a machine gun", meaning a full auto can't be converted to semi-auto only and legally transferred like a normal firearm.

So besides the obvious bump stock equipped firearm being a "machine gun"... if your AR or AK ever even had a bump stock on it, it's a "machine gun (receiver)" even if there's no bump stock on it anymore according to the ATF's own rules.

Beyond that, any model of firearm that's had a bump-stock made for it could be construed as being "readily restoreable to shoot (full-auto)" as it's easy to put a bumpstock on any of them with no permanent modification of the gun's receiver or gunsmithing.

Beyond that, pretty much any semi-auto firearm can be bump fired with a stick, a finger in a belt loop or with no additional assistance, so without some kind of rate of fire limiter that would slow the gun down enough to prevent bump firing, they could ALL be construed as "machine guns", should the ATF go down that road in the future ( or perhaps pushed by a gun-hating president?).
 
I can't BELIEVE our dear president Trump just banned bump stocks. Whats next, large capacity magazines?!!! The horror, the horror of it. Hav must be Hav-ing fits along with the NRA.
 
I can't BELIEVE our dear president Trump just banned bump stocks. Whats next, large capacity magazines?!!! The horror, the horror of it. Hav must be Hav-ing fits along with the NRA.
I just typed in "gun legislation Trump has signed" and came up with virtually nothing. ...cept for one Obama bill that never made it into law. It was a mental health issue and background checks.
So besides the obvious bump stock equipped firearm being a "machine gun"... if your AR or AK ever even had a bump stock on it, it's a "machine gun (receiver)" even if there's no bump stock on it anymore according to the ATF's own rules.

Beyond that, any model of firearm that's had a bump-stock made for it could be construed as being "readily restoreable to shoot (full-auto)" as it's easy to put a bumpstock on any of them with no permanent modification of the gun's receiver or gunsmithing.

That is not part of the law or legal definition, it's a far stretched opinion. You couldn't stretch a rubber band any tighter without it breaking.

You can't stretch a rubber band any tighter without it breaking.
 
That's one really nice looking rug you bought Ernesto. It's bright and lively colors makes a that scary black military weapon look really cool. :D
Not totally joking tho. It's a pretty cool looking souvenir to remember that trip.
 
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The "gun grabbers" know that there are already about 22,000 gun laws on the books. They just keep passing more gun restrictions that only impact the law-abiding. Most of these are "feel good" laws. They know they won't do anything to make anyone safer. California is the most restrictive on guns and yet, their own experts say that it has accomplished nothing to make anyone safer. At the present time, most gun homicides are black on black, gang killings. The "gun grabbers" have gone so far as to decide that gun deaths up to age 23 be listed as "child deaths" so they can lump these gang killings into that statistic.
Most child gun deaths fall into the 16 to 23 age range.
If you could take gang killings out of the gun death rate, the US would have one of the lowest in the world.
 
Now why would anyone think that Democrats would want to ban and confiscate guns from the law abiding?

"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."--Diane Feinstein, U.S. Senator from California

In an op-ed published in the New York Times Tuesday, the 97-year-old former Supreme Court justice argues that advocates for stricter gun control legislation should take the next step and demand the removal of the Second Amendment entirely.--http://time.com/5216782/john-paul-stevens-repeal-second-amendment/

"Instead, we should ban possession of military-style semiautomatic assault weapons, we should buy back such weapons from all who choose to abide by the law, and we should criminally prosecute any who choose to defy it by keeping their weapons," he wrote. "The ban would not apply to law enforcement agencies or shooting clubs."--Eric Swalwell

“I believe…..this is my final word……I believe that I’m supporting the Constitution of the United States which does not give the right for any individual to own a handgun….”--Jan Schakowsky, U.S. Representative from Illinois

“No, we’re not looking at how to control criminals … we’re talking about banning the AK-47 and semi-automatic guns.”--Howard Metzenbaum, former U.S. Senator

“If a bill to ban handguns came to the house floor, I would vote for it.”--Pete Stark, U.S. Representative from California

” …we need much stricter gun control, and eventually should bar the ownership of handguns”--William Clay, U.S. Representative from Missouri

“Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.”--Joseph Biden, Vice President of the United States

“I shortly will introduce legislation banning the sale, manufacture or possession of handguns (with exceptions for law enforcement and licensed target clubs)… . It is time to act. We cannot go on like this. Ban them!”--John Chafee, Former U.S. Senator from Rhode Island

“We have to start with a ban on the manufacturing and import of handguns. From there we register the guns which are currently owned, and follow that with additional bans and acquisitions of handguns and rifles with no sporting purpose.”--Major Owens, U.S. Representative from New York

“My staff and I right now are working on a comprehensive gun-control bill. We don’t have all the details, but for instance, regulating the sale and purchase of bullets. Ultimately, I would like to see the manufacture and possession of handguns banned except for military and police use. But that’s the endgame. And in the meantime, there are some specific things that we can do with legislation.”--Bobby Rush, U.S. Representative from Illinois

“Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe. The National Guard fulfills the militia mentioned in the Second amendment. Citizens no longer need to protect the states or themselves.”--Dianne Feinstein, U.S. Senator from California

“All of this has to be understood as part of a process leading ultimately to a treaty that will give an international body power over our domestic laws.”--Charles Pashayan, U.S. Representative from California

“Confiscation could be an option…mandatory sale to the state could be an option.”--Andrew Cuomo, Governor of New York

San Diego’s [police chief] Lansdowne, who plays an active role in the western region of the International Association of Chiefs of Police (IACP), said in the interview it may take a generation, but guns will eventually be taken off the streets through new laws.--San Diego’s police chief Lansdowne.

"My view of guns is simple. I hate guns and I cannot imagine why anyone would want to own one. If I had my way, guns for sport would be registered, and all other guns would be banned."-- Deborah Prothrow-Stith (Dean of Harvard School of Public Health)

“I don’t believe people should to be able to own guns.”-- Barack Obama (during conversation with economist and author John Lott Jr. at the University of Chicago Law School in the 1990s)

"A gun-control movement worthy of the name would insist that President Clinton move beyond his proposals for controls ... and immediately call on Congress to pass far-reaching industry regulation like the Firearms Safety and Consumer Protection Act ... [which] would give the Treasury Department health and safety authority over the gun industry, and any rational regulator with that authority would ban handguns."
- Josh Sugarmann (executive director of the Violence Policy Center)

"We need a new paradigm because both sides are in the corner and they could come to the middle," Schumer said. "Those of who are pro-gun control have to admit that there is a Second Amendment right to bear arms... once we establish that there is a constitutional right to bear arms we should have the right admit, and maybe they'll be more willing to admit, that no amendment is absolute after all."--Chuck Schumer, U.S. Senator from New York

"We can't just stand behind you and say we support our men and women in law enforcement community and then not have the laws on the books that help you do your job every day," he said. "And it's time as a city we have an assault weapon ban. And it's time as a state that we have an assault weapon ban. And it's time as a country that we have an assault weapon ban."--Rahm Emanuel, Mayor Chicago, Illinois

"We need to do something, at the very least, perhaps, about the high-capacity magazines that were used in this crime."--Richard Blumenthal, U.S. Senator from Connecticut

“I don’t care if you want to hunt. I don’t care if you think it’s your right. I say, ‘Sorry.’ It is 1999. We have had enough as a nation. You are not allowed to own a gun, and if you do own a gun I think you should go to prison.--Rosie O'Donnell, Comedian

"We cannot let a minority of people—and that’s what it is, it is a minority of people—hold a viewpoint that terrorizes the majority of people." On Australia's gun ban "So I think that’s worth considering," Clinton said. "I don’t know enough details to tell you how we would do it or how it would work. But certainly, the Australian example is worth considering."----Hillary Clinton

George Stephanopoulos pushed Clinton twice on whether people have a right to own guns on ABC News’ "This Week": “But that's not what I asked. I said do you believe that their conclusion that an individual's right to bear arms is a constitutional right?” Clinton could only say: “If it is a constitutional right...”

"I can find nothing in the Second Amendment’s text, history, or underlying rationale that could warrant characterizing it as ‘fundamental’ insofar as it seeks to protect the keeping and bearing of arms for private self-defense purposes.”--Steven Breyer, Supreme Court Justice
 
Seeing these words in print, and knowing they are all bold enough to admit their true viewpoints ought scare the dickens out of every law abiding citizen.
 
Estimates are there may be 400 million guns in the US, roughly 14,000 murders per year. Assuming each homicide is different gun that comes out to 0.0035% of guns involved in murders
 
COLUMBINE STUDENT'S FATHER 12 YEARS LATER !!
Guess our national leaders didn't expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of ...the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.

They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness.. The following is a portion of the transcript:
"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good & evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.

"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.

"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death.

Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent.

I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!

"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him. To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!

My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"

- Darrell Scott
Do what the media did not - - let the nation hear this man's speech. Please send this out to everyone you can.
God Bless
 

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