Opinion

[Floorist]

At the present time, there are over 20,000 gun laws on the books and almost none get enforced. I believe it is Mass. that that has a law that makes it illegal to pass an antique gun down to a relative. The places with the most gun homicides, Chicago, DC, etc have the most restrictive gun laws in the US.
Almost everyone in my area owns a gun or several. We have had one gun homicide in the last 7 years in my county and it was a drug deal gone bad.

 

[Floorist]

Sen Diane Fienstein said that EVERY returning vet has PTSD and should NOT be able to get a gun.

 

[Nick]

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[zannej]

Is an M-14 with automatic firing disabled considered an assault weapon? I'm ok with having some common sense gun laws and actually enforcing them. I know people who are not allowed to own guns due to criminal history, but they still have them. I have friends who believe we should have to get licenses and registration for guns. I saw someone saying we should have to carry insurance--- but I disagree. That would just be a way to prevent poor people from being able to own guns because they couldn't afford the insurance. I'm honestly on the fence about a lot of things-- but I do think that gun safety and teaching children and young adults not to play with guns or treat them as toys would be wise.

I do think that the media plays a large part in the problem. They glorify the killers whether they intend to or not. People learn that if they want to cement their place in history and be remembered, they can accomplish it by killing a bunch of people or doing horrible things. There is some 14-year-old drug-using spoiled rotten brat who gets tons of $ from "followers" on Instagram and Youtube because for some reason, people look up to her because she became famous through notoriety. People like that should not be given media attention because it only encourages more people to be like them. I think another problem is that there is a lack of respect for other human beings. The lamestream media profits from all of the violence and mayhem and in some ways they encourage it. Shortly after 9-11 they were going to places and showing where they were on maps and saying how devastating it would be if those places were attacked/bombed too. They even detailed out plans of what terrorists could do. They wanted to fearmonger and also, I think some of them secretly hoped that the terrorists would use those plans or attack those places so they could get a more sensational news story.

 

[highup]

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If I was a church goer, I'd be happy goin' to that one.

 

[highup]

I think some of those M-1 "type" rifles can be modified, but it's illegal to do so, or to sell the parts that convert them to be fully automatic.
It's illegal to combine fertilizer and oil to make a bomb too.......... People who are crazy, or criminals or terrorists don't really care about the law. Take away guns and they use trucks, or bombs. The problem is people...... and it's really hard to control planned attacks or spontaneous outbursts. Sad as it is, no laws can prevent the unpredictable.
As far as that last shooting at the church ...... Some heads ought to roll in the military for not reporting his mental state and criminal past. The guy still may have gotten his hands on a weapon by some other means if he had been denied legal access to one through a background check. But if the military had reported his mental issues and record, maybe this wouldn't have happened. ...or maybe it would have happened with a different method of attack. People bent on destruction will find a way.

 

[Floorist]

The AR 15 (scary rifle) is no different in function than a semi-auto 22 caliber rabbit gun. In fact, most AR 15s use a .223 round which is almost the same as a 22 round. The AR 15 is used for hunting small game like rabbits and squirrels and many people used them for feral hogs, although to be truthful, I think I would want something more powerful for a hog.

 

[Floorist]

“But to ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow. … For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding.” Jeff Snyder

 

[Floorist]

OK what is the difference in these two rifles?

 

[Floorist]

The top one, the AR 15 would be banned. The bottom one would not.
(same as the 1994 ban)

They both use the same ammo, hold the same amount of rounds and have the same rate of fire.

 

[Floorist]

United Kingdom: The UK enacted its handgun ban in 1996. From 1990 until the ban was enacted, the homicide rate fluctuated between 10.9 and 13 homicides per million. After the ban was enacted, homicides trended up until they reached a peak of 18.0 in 2003. Since 2003, which incidentally was about the time the British government flooded the country with 20,000 more cops, the homicide rate has fallen to 11.1 in 2010. In other words, the 15-year experiment in a handgun ban has achieved absolutely nothing.

Ireland: Ireland banned firearms in 1972. Ireland’s homicide rate was fairly static going all the way back to 1945. In that period, it fluctuated between 0.1 and 0.6 per 100,000 people. Immediately after the ban, the murder rate shot up to 1.6 per 100,000 people in 1975. It then dropped back down to 0.4. It has trended up, reaching 1.4 in 2007.

Australia: Australia enacted its gun ban in 1996. Murders have basically run flat, seeing only a small spike after the ban and then returning almost immediately to preban numbers. It is currently trending down, but is within the fluctuations exhibited in other nations.

 

[Nick]

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[highup]

I've never seen that mentioned anywhere... I never knew the Marines were that old.
That would be one interesting Birthday party for sure.

 

[zannej]

So, I was reading an article about the church shooting and there was an important detail that is not being mentioned on any of the news outlets I've been seeing discuss it: One of the parishioners pulled out a rifle and shot the spree killer and ended his shooting spree. The killer did manage to grab a hostage and drive off but later crashed and the police weren't sure of the cause of death-- but that man shooting him saved more lives.

And I still see people saying things like "Well, if people are carrying guns, why don't they just shoot them?" only in this case someone did, but the news is not mentioning it. If this guy had obtained his guns illegally and gone in shooting and citizens were not allowed to own guns, that parishioner would not have legally had a gun to stop him.

 

[Floorist]

Assault rifle==short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges. It must be capable of selective fire. (not AR15 or AK 47, both are semi-auto)
Cost about $25,000....needs a special $200 permit. can take years to get one.

 

[Floorist]

ad from 1963....AR...Armalite model 15 (Armalite manufacturing company)

 

[Ernesto]

Thought I posted this here before but couldn't find it. AR does not stand for assault rifle. https://www.nssf.org/msr/

 

[Floorist]

Assault Rifle: short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between sub-machine gun/pistol cartridge and rifle cartridges. In a strict definition, a firearm must have the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:
1. It must be capable of selective fire. (there isnt a single AR15 available to the market that has selective fire capabilities, 1 squeeze of the trigger, 1 round fired)
2. It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle
3. Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.
4. It must have an effective range of at least 300 meters (330 yards)
AR 15 does not qualify.

 

[Ernesto]

Ya just buried my post Floorist!:shooting:
Read the link.
https://www.nssf.org/msr/

 

[highup]

Assault Rifle: short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between sub-machine gun/pistol cartridge and rifle cartridges. In a strict definition, a firearm must have the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:
1. It must be capable of selective fire. (there isnt a single AR15 available to the market that has selective fire capabilities, 1 squeeze of the trigger, 1 round fired)
2. It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle
3. Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.
4. It must have an effective range of at least 300 meters (330 yards)
AR 15 does not qualify.

You're gettin' way to technical, Florist. If it's painted black it's an an assault weapon.