Discussing politics and religion

[Nick]

Realize that 1/2 the US voted him into office based on what they wanted him to do. Hes doing it. The media portrays Trump as a person who got 10% of the vote and mysteriously won the election, and seems to slant news stories (fake news) assuming that everyone hates what he is doing. Put him up against Hillary tomorrow and her loss would be larger by far.
Not sure why him or his family needs to go to jail. Being an ass isn't a crime. Watched an interview with his wife....... and she sure ain't no dingbat. I was really impressed. The kids have been on TV too. I don't see any evil in them either. I don't have a cue as to the Trump family hate........ boggles me as to what nasty idiot dubbed the red Christmas trees as "blood trees". They were non traditional, but who hasn't seen pure white, silver, blue or red Christmas trees? The person that used the term blood trees ought to be watched closely.
If Trump could stop the Twitter rants and off the cuff comments, I'd be thrilled. What he's doing tho, I absolutely love, so I can easily overlook his personality, based on the promises he's keeping to us. .or trying to.

He lost the poplar vote by over 3 Million votes .. I'm sure why they need to go to Jail.. He is in bed with Putin for one.. Keeps bashing the media , and the Justice dept .. Trying to give cover to the Prince for Killing the reporter because he spends Millions on Trump Hotels .. I can go on , But why Bother ? Muller will get him ..

 

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He had nothing to do with it , and he is thanking the prince for producing more oil .. We produce more then they do .. It's a Global Market .. That is what dictates the price ..

My smiley didn't register. Trump and Bush got accused of manipulating the gas prices for "their oil buddies" President's have no more power than the Pope in setting oil prices.

 

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He lost the poplar vote by over 3 Million votes .. I'm sure why they need to go to Jail.. He is in bed with Putin for one.. Keeps bashing the media , and the Justice dept .. Trying to give cover to the Prince for Killing the reporter because he spends Millions on Trump Hotels .. I can go on , But why Bother ? Muller will get him ..

We don't do popular votes. If we did, then 15 or 17 states would have total control of the election.

 

[highup]

The bottom 20 states population combined = the population of California. That's why the electoral college works. It's fair to the states and their people.
Top 10 states have 167 million people.
I don't know of many states want to be even remotely like California..... politically speaking. Oregon logs trees to make homes. I don't want California and New York dictating our forest practices by electing a president that's a tree hugger. I don't want California requiring all new homes be "solar ready" I think that;s adding $20,000 or $25,000 to every new home built even if the owner doesn't want or never plans to use solar.
Sad, but Oregon has a governor that's on that same path.......... and her name is Brown also. She's made sure that Oregon ranks 3rd from the bottom in graduation rates.

 

[zannej]

RIP to George HW Bush. I met him once at an embassy function in Singapore. Shook his hand and he asked me about one of my classmates (who famously got arrested and caned for vandalism). He laughed pretty hard when my response was "Mike is an idiot." I think my favorite thing that he did though, was when he was head of the CIA and refused to give classified info to Jimmy Carter bc he realized he was a security risk and couldn't be trusted with the info.

Trump & Clinton were both good buddies of Epstein-- a convicted rapist. The dude had his own island where he held girls captive to use as sex slaves. Clinton, Trump, and Alan Dershowitz were in his little black book of pedophiles who used those girls.

A person's ability to control their own family members has nothing to do with how they operate as a leader for work. But, Hillary was involved in some skeevy things-- covering for her husband & making excuses rather than admitting he did wrong, and having her fingerprints on classified FBI files she wasn't supposed to have any access to. I didn't want her as president, but I think Trump has been far worse than she would have been. He's been mobbed up since birth.

His golf trips, Melania's trips & hotels, and the $ paying to protect/transport his family is costing us millions. The trade tariffs didn't help any either. I don't know about other states, but because of the supposed tax "cuts" the taxes where I live actually went up. We've also had outbreaks of ecoli and salmonella bc he rolled back some laws that required more safety testing on water & such on farms.

 

[Nick]

The tax cuts were for his rich friends ..

 

[Ernesto]

Thing is folks, Hillary ain't president. Weird that fact slips your minds.

 

[havasu]

All Presidents and their families are afforded security for the rest of their lives. This is to include obama's Auntie, who leached off the government for all those years under the label as the children's nanny.

 

[zannej]

I'm ok with Trump's family getting protection-- my issue is the useless trips where our tax dollars paid for hotels that Melania didn't even sleep in and that Trump spends so much time at his own golf resorts and actually profits from it. He griped about Obama golfing but he golfs more. The cost of his golf carts alone could be better used elsewhere. And military personnel are getting screwed by not receiving their GI benefits.

 

[havasu]

Ern, again, free college and a voluntary position until his political career pushed by his cronies

 

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[havasu]

....forget it. It just ain't worth typing here anymore.

 

[Ernesto]

Yeah, I suppose its hard for a retired LEO to defend all the Trump gang members that have been indicted. Drain the new swamp, lock'm up! https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury
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Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team has indicted or gotten guilty pleas from 33 people and three companies that we know of — the latest being former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen.

That group is composed of five former Trump advisers, 26 Russian nationals, three Russian companies, one California man, and one London-based lawyer. Seven of these people (including now all five former Trump aides) have pleaded guilty.

 

[havasu]

Sorry Ern, throwing the race card on your recent post lets me know you are just part of the "Me Too" movement, and unable to communicate on a civil level.

 

[zannej]

Trump's father was a member of the KKK & Trump spoke about his superior genetics & has made racist comments about people who aren't white being inferior. He disparages people of color and countries with ethnic minorities while praising and encouraging white supremacists. He refuses to condemn violent nazis, but accuses minorities of being criminals.

Also, why do you say the #MeToo movement is not civil? I'm not trying to start an argument, but I am curious as to what you have against it.