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You not getting me
Okay go back to basics when these plastic backed and other vinyls came out
Why did they invent seam sealer heat welding?
Cause it was the nature of the beast that vinyls shrink and something was needed to seal the floor from surface water going down the joins especially cross joins on the product you have used along with similar commercial vinyls. If you recessed the cross join before you heated the "curl" of the end of the rolls it would really shrink. Now if you heated the cross join then use the recessing sriber it wouldnt shrink as much. I use a rag about the lenght of a scarf kept very damp to cool the vinyl after heating
What we used to do to tidy up the joins was to use either a Stanly knife or now we use a straight edge to as I saw bur the gap to fill it by holding the straight edge perpendicular to the floor using the point
It is a lot easier, quicker to leave a slight gap with the scribe tool set to about half the thickness of the weld rod
Then just heat weld
Nowdays you can get the weld rod, the one with lumps on it, which matches the vinyl and you cant even see where the cut off weld rod is
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Looks like the bad stuff is going to miss you. Keep your head down.
After the storm.
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I'm feeling better. Brother went to the doctor yesterday (I dropped him off & went to the post office). Then we went to the store & got groceries. Had dinner. Mom isn't feeling great, her blood sugar got low & her stomach is bothering her a bit. I made her some chocolate pudding that she liked though. We had rice & chicken for dinner. Thunderstorms hit today & took the power out while I was sleeping. It messed up the router's connection to the modem. Now the router won't detect the modem anymore. I thought maybe it was the cable so we popped in to the store to grab a new ethernet cable (cat6) and a new cheap router just in case. Cable didn't work. We plugged a computer to the modem to make sure it wasn't the modem. It worked. So then my brother set up the new router & it's working. Mom is using the TV as a monitor right now & has the volume up so high no one can stand to be in the room with her. LOL.
I'm in my room with cats piled on me. One of my fluffy black & white tuxedo cats decided to pet my face earlier. He touched my face with his paw (making sure not to put his claws out) and ran it down my cheek a few times so I returned the favor.
When I was away from the computer my cats opened the command prompt & had a bunch of 00000000 typed in.
Chatted with my friend online a bit about what he needs for his kitchen still. He asked me what size cabinets he needed. Apparently he found more vinyl plank on sale as well & got it for his bathroom. His stimulus check helped. I'm waiting for him to tell me when he wants to get the cabinets & when he wants me to stain them & put a coat of poly on them. I suggested cutting & staining the toekick trim before installing so I don't derp and get it on the floor. He's thinking of putting a backsplash up under the wall cabinets but I think painting would be easier & cheaper.
I'm in my room with cats piled on me. One of my fluffy black & white tuxedo cats decided to pet my face earlier. He touched my face with his paw (making sure not to put his claws out) and ran it down my cheek a few times so I returned the favor.
When I was away from the computer my cats opened the command prompt & had a bunch of 00000000 typed in.
Chatted with my friend online a bit about what he needs for his kitchen still. He asked me what size cabinets he needed. Apparently he found more vinyl plank on sale as well & got it for his bathroom. His stimulus check helped. I'm waiting for him to tell me when he wants to get the cabinets & when he wants me to stain them & put a coat of poly on them. I suggested cutting & staining the toekick trim before installing so I don't derp and get it on the floor. He's thinking of putting a backsplash up under the wall cabinets but I think painting would be easier & cheaper.
I heated the doorway cross join (end joint) and rolled it backwards and side to side to flatten it. It had 15 or 20 minutes to cool maybe longer before I folded it back to start glueing. I didn't heat it after gluing, scribing and cutting the seam. The second seam with a gap was a seam in length. It shrunk the same amount.
After a week of having the house a good 78 degrees day and night, the heat was at some point turned down, then once the hardwood floor was sanded and refinished, the heat was turned off. It's probably around 58 to 60 degrees in the house overnight for the past week. I'm judging by the outdoor temps we are having.
If the house cooled off 20 degrees since I installed the flooring..... could that be part of the problem?
After a week of having the house a good 78 degrees day and night, the heat was at some point turned down, then once the hardwood floor was sanded and refinished, the heat was turned off. It's probably around 58 to 60 degrees in the house overnight for the past week. I'm judging by the outdoor temps we are having.
If the house cooled off 20 degrees since I installed the flooring..... could that be part of the problem?
"You not getting me
Okay go back to basics when these plastic backed and other vinyls came out
Why did they invent seam sealer heat welding?"
Because the stopped making good vinyl like Armstrong's Corlon products.
This is some sort of PVC product. My water pipes don't shrink.
After a week and a half is this going to continue to shrink forever or is this as far as it plans to recede?
Do these materials ever curl like old paper backed vinyls of days gone by or do they just shrink? I'm guessing the latter.
Do these materials ever curl like old paper backed vinyls of days gone by or do they just shrink? I'm guessing the latter.
Nobody I know ever cuts the joins before spreading the glue we always do the joins when the vinyl is placed into the glue
Corlon from what I remember had an asbestos type backing which is a very different animal than the different backings of today
We used to cut the asbestos backed vinyls neat then into the walls then tube them to drop them into the glue as they used to shrink in the length if pulled back end to end but not side wise These plastic/fibreglass backed vinyls do not shrink like the asbestos backed vinyls. Also we would at times back roll the vinyls to pre shrink them We used to cut the asbestos backed vinyls in tight then force them into the skirting boards making the vinyl shrink into itself. When these newer vinyls will not do that as even if the vinyl is the thickness of a knife blade it will Bubble usually just after you leave, we had to learn all over again for these newer backings. No back rolling of these newer type backings as they dont shrink in length
Now the commercial type vinyl you laid is a bit like the asbestos type backings as they will shrink if folded back onto them selves etc etc. You can force shrink them into the skirting boards with a little heat, Also you can make the joins tight then heat to get the vinyl to lay flat as mentioned earler with a cold wet rag. Which is were you probually got into trouble. I didnt realise you cut everything in neat before placing the vinyl into the glue. I use a heat gun these days as you can heat them more without burning things like with a gas bottle
Re the turning up of the edges these newer type backings are made for loose laying so do not curl on the edges
Corlon from what I remember had an asbestos type backing which is a very different animal than the different backings of today
We used to cut the asbestos backed vinyls neat then into the walls then tube them to drop them into the glue as they used to shrink in the length if pulled back end to end but not side wise These plastic/fibreglass backed vinyls do not shrink like the asbestos backed vinyls. Also we would at times back roll the vinyls to pre shrink them We used to cut the asbestos backed vinyls in tight then force them into the skirting boards making the vinyl shrink into itself. When these newer vinyls will not do that as even if the vinyl is the thickness of a knife blade it will Bubble usually just after you leave, we had to learn all over again for these newer backings. No back rolling of these newer type backings as they dont shrink in length
Now the commercial type vinyl you laid is a bit like the asbestos type backings as they will shrink if folded back onto them selves etc etc. You can force shrink them into the skirting boards with a little heat, Also you can make the joins tight then heat to get the vinyl to lay flat as mentioned earler with a cold wet rag. Which is were you probually got into trouble. I didnt realise you cut everything in neat before placing the vinyl into the glue. I use a heat gun these days as you can heat them more without burning things like with a gas bottle
Re the turning up of the edges these newer type backings are made for loose laying so do not curl on the edges
No.... I flattened the end joins then glued the vinyl, then cut the seam.
....the end curl wasn't heated "hot". It was warmed. By the time I had folded the material back, glued the floor and cut the seam, 15 minutes had passed, long after any heating was done.
But you said
I heated the doorway cross join (end joint) and rolled it backwards and side to side to flatten it. It had 15 or 20 minutes to cool maybe longer before I folded it back to start glueing.
I heated the doorway cross join (end joint) and rolled it backwards and side to side to flatten it. It had 15 or 20 minutes to cool maybe longer before I folded it back to start glueing.
Did everything in the correct order, just saying the material had way plenty of cooling time, especially since it was warmed gently but not hot.
So I am reading this wrong?
From the way I read it is that you cut the join dry then folded it to start glueing
What you said
I heated the doorway cross join (end joint) and rolled it backwards and side to side to flatten it. It had 15 or 20 minutes to cool maybe longer before I folded it back to start glueing.
From the way I read it is that you cut the join dry then folded it to start glueing
What you said
I heated the doorway cross join (end joint) and rolled it backwards and side to side to flatten it. It had 15 or 20 minutes to cool maybe longer before I folded it back to start glueing.
Let's forget the heating.
Folded both halves back, glued the floor then folded vinyl into glue, then used my underscribe to mark my cut line, then trimmed off the overlapped material and rolled the seam.
Folded both halves back, glued the floor then folded vinyl into glue, then used my underscribe to mark my cut line, then trimmed off the overlapped material and rolled the seam.
Yeah thats what we do so its just the way I read that sentence
Some guys here cut everything in dry then when they dropped it into the glue the vinyl ended up in slightly different place causing gaps eveywhere
Some guys here cut everything in dry then when they dropped it into the glue the vinyl ended up in slightly different place causing gaps eveywhere
Sounds like a tough process trying to glue that seam down.
Wednesday my power went out around 3am. I called to report the outage (automated system thing) immediately. Sometime after 7am it came back on for a couple minutes than blinked back out. Thunderstorm continued to rage & lulled me to sleep & we didn't get the callback to ask if we had power back, so I figured they were still working on it. 10am rolled around, still no power. I called again & they didn't have the report in their system that it needed to be fixed so it put in a new ticket. Called back around noon when it still wasn't back on. Then again at 5pm. It started to get hot & there was no running water. Our friend said we could come over to his place & crash on his couch until power came back but Mom didn't want to go anywhere & didn't want us to leave her there. She was in a bad mood until I got her something to eat. Then she told us around 6:30pm we could go see our friend while she napped (her room was the coolest in the house). I set up a phone that would work without power in her room so she could call if she needed anything. Went to hang out with our friend & grabbed food from McDonalds. Discussed home improvement stuff with the group there. Another friend is staying with them since his house burned in December & his fixing our friend's other house (that burned in 2016) up because it was still sturdy enough to salvage. They took down a wall between the old laundry room (which was originally a porch) and the bathroom, leveled the floor for both rooms to be the same height, put down vinyl plank, and moved the washer & dryer back into the old laundry room. There's a window on the adjacent room that I suggested they could convert to a storage shelf if they take the glass out & put wall panel on one side.
I had my friend put a level on the ceiling above the cabinets to figure out where the lowest ceiling spot was & measure down to see how much clearance would be under a 30" tall wall cabinet & it has enough room to work. Sometime this week we will go pick up unfinished cabinets from the surplus place. Gonna put a drop cloth down & I'll stain all of them while they are down, then they will get put up & set in place. Toekick trim will be cut to size & I'll stain it & poly it. Then I'll clean up the cabinets, do touch-ups & put a coat of polycrylic on. Need to see what sort of molding he wants to cover gaps between cabinets & flooring. I'm thinking either inside corner type concave molding or a convex shoe molding. Another friend got a nice new miter saw for the angled cuts. I can pre-stain & poly those. I want to do the stuff near the floor before they are installed to avoid possible drips on the floor. With my luck, drips would get under a drop cloth around cabinets.
Other than talking home improvement (and taking pictures) we played with the kittens. Some of them are starting to open their eyes. There's a solid black one who hasn't opened his eyes yet & he's pretty mellow. My brother held him & petted him for hours. The kitten rolled on his back for belly rubs & was peddling his little feet in the air & curling them up. We're naming him Namir. The other solid black one was a bit more fussy. His eyes were opening & he wanted to explore & was interested in seeing his mother when she came over. She's super cuddly so we were petting her, but fussy kitten wanted to nurse so we didn't hold him for too long. We're thinking of naming that one Temjin. We called to check on Mom around 10pm but she reported power was still out. It didn't come back on until almost 2am. She called to tell us. Namir got hungry around that time so we put him back in the bassinet with the other kittens along with the mother so they could all nurse.
I felt like garbage in the morning & took some medicine & racked out for several hours. Mom woke me after 2pm to get her something to eat. Then back to napping until after 8pm when she was hungry again. I woke up coughing & she heard me so she called. I was reaching for my medicine. She gave me time to take my meds before I got her something to eat, waited her to finish to see if she wanted something else, then went back to bed & just woke up at 2am.
Three cats and a dog are all piled on me right now. I'll probably nap again after posting.
Wednesday my power went out around 3am. I called to report the outage (automated system thing) immediately. Sometime after 7am it came back on for a couple minutes than blinked back out. Thunderstorm continued to rage & lulled me to sleep & we didn't get the callback to ask if we had power back, so I figured they were still working on it. 10am rolled around, still no power. I called again & they didn't have the report in their system that it needed to be fixed so it put in a new ticket. Called back around noon when it still wasn't back on. Then again at 5pm. It started to get hot & there was no running water. Our friend said we could come over to his place & crash on his couch until power came back but Mom didn't want to go anywhere & didn't want us to leave her there. She was in a bad mood until I got her something to eat. Then she told us around 6:30pm we could go see our friend while she napped (her room was the coolest in the house). I set up a phone that would work without power in her room so she could call if she needed anything. Went to hang out with our friend & grabbed food from McDonalds. Discussed home improvement stuff with the group there. Another friend is staying with them since his house burned in December & his fixing our friend's other house (that burned in 2016) up because it was still sturdy enough to salvage. They took down a wall between the old laundry room (which was originally a porch) and the bathroom, leveled the floor for both rooms to be the same height, put down vinyl plank, and moved the washer & dryer back into the old laundry room. There's a window on the adjacent room that I suggested they could convert to a storage shelf if they take the glass out & put wall panel on one side.
I had my friend put a level on the ceiling above the cabinets to figure out where the lowest ceiling spot was & measure down to see how much clearance would be under a 30" tall wall cabinet & it has enough room to work. Sometime this week we will go pick up unfinished cabinets from the surplus place. Gonna put a drop cloth down & I'll stain all of them while they are down, then they will get put up & set in place. Toekick trim will be cut to size & I'll stain it & poly it. Then I'll clean up the cabinets, do touch-ups & put a coat of polycrylic on. Need to see what sort of molding he wants to cover gaps between cabinets & flooring. I'm thinking either inside corner type concave molding or a convex shoe molding. Another friend got a nice new miter saw for the angled cuts. I can pre-stain & poly those. I want to do the stuff near the floor before they are installed to avoid possible drips on the floor. With my luck, drips would get under a drop cloth around cabinets.
Other than talking home improvement (and taking pictures) we played with the kittens. Some of them are starting to open their eyes. There's a solid black one who hasn't opened his eyes yet & he's pretty mellow. My brother held him & petted him for hours. The kitten rolled on his back for belly rubs & was peddling his little feet in the air & curling them up. We're naming him Namir. The other solid black one was a bit more fussy. His eyes were opening & he wanted to explore & was interested in seeing his mother when she came over. She's super cuddly so we were petting her, but fussy kitten wanted to nurse so we didn't hold him for too long. We're thinking of naming that one Temjin. We called to check on Mom around 10pm but she reported power was still out. It didn't come back on until almost 2am. She called to tell us. Namir got hungry around that time so we put him back in the bassinet with the other kittens along with the mother so they could all nurse.
I felt like garbage in the morning & took some medicine & racked out for several hours. Mom woke me after 2pm to get her something to eat. Then back to napping until after 8pm when she was hungry again. I woke up coughing & she heard me so she called. I was reaching for my medicine. She gave me time to take my meds before I got her something to eat, waited her to finish to see if she wanted something else, then went back to bed & just woke up at 2am.
Three cats and a dog are all piled on me right now. I'll probably nap again after posting.
Tom Picciani
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Got all the drywall up. Put in a couple pieces in the garage (my carpenter did, actually). Final cost for all labor, electrical, plumbing, and carpentry, and the materials he bought was around $2800. That's 5 1/2 days of work. My bill of materials was around $2000. So I completed 1 rooms 12x20 each for under $5k.
Mike gives me a special rate at $50/hour because we're friends.
I think I'm going to get more seams done today. Will have to sacrifice an old shirt to the plaster gods since I ran out of ruined shirts from last year's renovations.
Bought some coveralls, medium size. I'm 5'2" and the height was almost perfect. Unfortunately, the width at the belly was a little tight. But I got them on. Getting them off was a real problem! I almost had to call fire and rescue, but managed to pull the sleeves while my arms were behind my back. Whew! Contortionist I'm not! Anyway, they go back and I already ordered a large set.
And I got a utility sink installed. No more washing stuff in the kitchen!
Getting bored being home. Stay safe gang!
Mike gives me a special rate at $50/hour because we're friends.
I think I'm going to get more seams done today. Will have to sacrifice an old shirt to the plaster gods since I ran out of ruined shirts from last year's renovations.
Bought some coveralls, medium size. I'm 5'2" and the height was almost perfect. Unfortunately, the width at the belly was a little tight. But I got them on. Getting them off was a real problem! I almost had to call fire and rescue, but managed to pull the sleeves while my arms were behind my back. Whew! Contortionist I'm not! Anyway, they go back and I already ordered a large set.
And I got a utility sink installed. No more washing stuff in the kitchen!
Getting bored being home. Stay safe gang!
