Discussing politics and religion

[C.J.]

There absolutely were "Excess Deaths" reported during the worst of the Covid-19 scare.

That graph you posted means nothing until I can see the graph in its entirety. The lower wave of deaths seams to wave with regularity. The spiked second graph means what? We’re there elevated deaths due to Covid but other deaths were less so the average overall number of deaths was the same? Was it any worse than a bad flu season as in is that spike within normal variations. Seems odd and I would call that a mislabeling of deaths and we already know they have been wrongly listing deaths as Covid deaths as opposed to death with Covid. I would think that during a pandemic that you would see a spike in overall deaths across the board.

Additionally, what is the mean reference point of that graph? It shows a spike but what is that spike in relation to? If you were able to zoom out and see the graph in its entirety, from zero to whatever that line is, would the higher of the two lines even mean shit in reference to the other line if you were able to view the graph in its entirety.

It’s no different to me than when I read the label on something that says it has 5 times the holding power. 5 times the holding power of what, bubble gum?

 

[highup]

Hey Rusty, doesn't that make you happy that were warming instead of freezing?
Let's just rename it global worrying. Doing so I think a name changes in order for labeling people deniers. Let's call them normal.

 

[highup]

That graph you posted means nothing until I can see the graph in its entirety. The lower wave of deaths seams to wave with regularity. The spiked second graph means what? We’re there elevated deaths due to Covid but other deaths were less so the average overall number of deaths was the same? Was it any worse than a bad flu season as in is that spike within normal variations. Seems odd and I would call that a mislabeling of deaths and we already know they have been wrongly listing deaths as Covid deaths as opposed to death with Covid. I would think that during a pandemic that you would see a spike in overall deaths across the board.

Additionally, what is the mean reference point of that graph? It shows a spike but what is that spike in relation to? If you were able to zoom out and see the graph in its entirety, from zero to whatever that line is, would the higher of the two lines even mean shit in reference to the other line if you were able to view the graph in its entirety.

It’s no different to me than when I read the label on something that says it has 5 times the holding power. 5 times the holding power of what, bubble gum?

Got a new graph for you CJ.

 

[Floorist]

Got a new graph for you CJ.

That graph is how much I care.

 

[Floorist]

https://babylonbee.com/news/fbi-drop...clinton-emails

FBI Drops Investigation After Discovering Trump's Top Secret Nuclear Documents Were Just Print-Outs Of Hillary Clinton Emails

Sep 7, 2022 · BabylonBee.com

WASHINGTON, DC — Officials running the FBI investigation into former President Donald Trump's possession of allegedly classified nuclear documents were sent scrambling to halt their work after learning the documents in question are actually just printed-out emails from Hillary Clinton's private server.

"We were all set to see this through to the end and hopefully indict Mr. Trump on very serious charges, but we are now officially ending the investigation," said Special Agent Owen Gaffney in a prepared statement. "We discovered that these sensitive documents were, in fact, printouts of emails originally belonging to Hillary Clinton, and we're just not going anywhere near that."

When pressed for more information as to why the FBI would not be moving forward with the investigation, Agent Gaffney grew visibly nervous. "Look, Hillary Clinton, her family members, her staff, and anyone who works with her are completely innocent, ok? And that goes for President Biden, his son, Hunter, and basically any high-ranking Democrat. Ok? Do you hear me? Just don't make me talk about it! I don't want to die!"

At publishing time, the press was attempting to learn more about the situation, but FBI agents responded by screaming and running for cover anytime the name "Hillary Clinton" was mentioned.

 

[Incognito]

That graph you posted means nothing until I can see the graph in its entirety. The lower wave of deaths seams to wave with regularity. The spiked second graph means what? We’re there elevated deaths due to Covid but other deaths were less so the average overall number of deaths was the same? Was it any worse than a bad flu season as in is that spike within normal variations. Seems odd and I would call that a mislabeling of deaths and we already know they have been wrongly listing deaths as Covid deaths as opposed to death with Covid. I would think that during a pandemic that you would see a spike in overall deaths across the board.

Additionally, what is the mean reference point of that graph? It shows a spike but what is that spike in relation to? If you were able to zoom out and see the graph in its entirety, from zero to whatever that line is, would the higher of the two lines even mean shit in reference to the other line if you were able to view the graph in its entirety.

It’s no different to me than when I read the label on something that says it has 5 times the holding power. 5 times the holding power of what, bubble gum?

The "lower wave of deaths" is an average of ALL DEATHS from prior years and it's called "expected" deaths because there's going to be some adjustment for population growth and other demographic factors------like an aging population.

As there's always going to be deviation from week to week and year to year over many years of data the statisticians can use what's call Standard Deviation to give us an upper and lower range for the "expected" weekly death rate.

Anyone who is using raw data and analyzing statistics uses measures of Standard Deviation to illustrate when something outside the norm is happening. The "mean reference point" in the graph are those two smoothed out curved lines of expected weekly deaths-------one an actual average and one an "upper bound threshold" based on the standard deviation. Notice how we "expect" more deaths every year in the winter and every year in the summer we find less deaths. Now the blue bars in the graph are the actual reported deaths for all those weeks. The point where the blue bar crosses the upper threshold are SPIKES in the death rate for those weeks.

The facts here absolutely contradict your assertion that there were no spikes in the death rate. I'd love to know where you got that information from. Just because government, heath care industry spokesman and many hysterical politicians and citizens blew this pandemic out of proportion to deny there were excess deaths at all is counterfactual.

 

[Incognito]

A person has to trust the people who wrote the statistics.
A statistician will draw a graph to show you what they want you to see, be it the truth or whatever.

Ignorant people would have to trust other people or change the subject and forget about that information. My point was you really have to have a pretty highly developed intellect to comprehend what's being demonstrated by statistics-------medicine, the economy, crime, immigration; they're all very complex systems that do not break down into 25 words or less or flashy sound bytes.

Besides outright deception, even fundamental understanding of all these complex statistics is impossible without the prerequisite study deep into the details referenced in those statistics. I'm of the belief that our citizens are mostly intellectually lazy and therefore astoundingly ignorant. THATS why the media can be exploited to present deceptive statistics to the public and CONTROL GOVERNMENT. Better educated people really do see right through that partisan BS on both sides. The lesser educated seem to only see the flaws/deception in the opposite party propaganda.

 

[C.J.]

The facts here absolutely contradict your assertion that there were no spikes in the death rate. I'd love to know where you got that information from. Just because government, heath care industry spokesman and many hysterical politicians and citizens blew this pandemic out of proportion to deny there were excess deaths at all is counterfactual.

People died but did they die of Covid? I say they were murdered, or purposely allowed to die, same thing. How many of the deaths in question were from adverse affects to the jab yet labeled a Covid death. Shit, this ‘pandemic’ didn’t even meet the CDC’s own definition of what a pandemic is just like the jab wasn’t, and still isn’t, a vaccine.

So people may have died but with all the manipulation of statistics, policies, definitions of what is and isn’t, I stand behind my statement that there is no excess deaths because of Covid above and beyond what one may expect to encounter with a bad cold or flu season. The excess deaths we’ve seen were allowed to happen on purpose. Medications that worked were shut down and instead policies and procedures were implement that almost guaranteed your death. If you’re put on a medication that has a 25% survival rate, or a ventilator that is prolly bout the same, did you really die of Covid? Or did you die because of politics.

So yeah, graphs and such don’t mean shit to me because they’ve all been manipulated in one way or another.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9062939/

 

[C.J.]

Here’s 10 lies right here. How many more do we need until we just flat out quit believing anything.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2022/02/01/covid-19-pandemic-lies-biden-fauci/

 

[Floorist]

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-masks-gloves-dont-coronavirus-experts.html
"Wearing masks and gloves as a precaution against coronavirus is ineffective, unnecessary for the vast majority of people, and may even spread infections faster, experts said Tuesday."

It seems to be blocked by Google, but in 2019, before covid, the WHO said that masks were ineffective against infectious disease.

 

[Floorist]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...eport-covid-19-vaccination-adverse-reactions/

 

[Floorist]

My doctor and all the specialists I have seen, attribute my red blood cell problems to the vaccine. They have all treated others with the sane adverse reaction.

 

[C.J.]

My doctor and all the specialists I have seen, attribute my red blood cell problems to the vaccine. They have all treated others with the sane adverse reaction.

I’ll bet your doctor was all about the vaccine before the truth came out

 

[highup]

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-masks-gloves-dont-coronavirus-experts.html
"Wearing masks and gloves as a precaution against coronavirus is ineffective, unnecessary for the vast majority of people, and may even spread infections faster, experts said Tuesday."

It seems to be blocked by Google, but in 2019, before covid, the WHO said that masks were ineffective against infectious disease.

The Japanese study as I recall said that people standing 8 ft apart had more effect than the mask did.
People reuse the same mask over and over they touch the mask many times per day when putting it on and removing it and of course, proceed to rub their eyes and nose. I suppose if you wear one of those m95 masks and don't have a beard and don't touch the mask or reuse it...... Then you'll probably be ahead of the game a little bit more. Very few people would go to that length or expense.
During the entire span of the covid outbreak, I only wore a mask in stores where it was required, stopped in a minimum of three to four locations per day and this past 2 years I've been more busy than ever. My stops would include the grocery store the shop where I do most of my work from, their warehouse, a hardware store and a mini Mart on my way home from work. We had a lot of covid outbreaks in my area but I suppose I got lucky..... Or maybe standing 8 ft away from people actually helped.
I did keep a jug of alcohol in the rig and one coming out of a store I'd splash a little on my hands as if it were after shave lotion. I took my reasonable precautions and behaved no different than before covid.
.......oh yes, don't forget to get your 5-year-old immunized.

 

[Floorist]

I’ll bet your doctor was all about the vaccine before the truth came out

He was giving them.

Google "suddenly" can't find it. But in 2019, before covid,the WHO (World Health Org.) did a study that proved masks did NOT work against infectious disease.

 

[highup]

It's not that they don't work. I think they do to some degree.
Reality is that people will touch the masks, reuse the masks, rub or touch their eyes after touching the màsks.
Hindsight says keep kids in school, keep healthy adults at work and lock up..... I mean, have older, more vulnerable people stay home.

 

[Floorist]

https://electroverse.net/u-s-has-been-cooling-since-the-1930s/

 

[highup]

https://electroverse.net/u-s-has-been-cooling-since-the-1930s/

Stop talking like that, you're making too much sense.
Too many people think 100 or 150 years is the appropriate gauge of determining what the current weather should be. It changes, it goes through phases, which may last decades or hundreds of years.
If we are going to warm a few degrees over the next 100 years, we're humans, we're not stupid, we can deal with it because we have plenty of warning time. If the oceans are going to rise one foot in the next 100 years then we have 100 years to plan.
People didn't have this kind of information a thousand years ago or 5,000 years ago.
Environmentally and politically, everything these days is about control.
...... I'm not going to be controlled.

 

[C.J.]

I'm not going to be controlled.

We’ll see about that.

 

[havasu]

We are preparing to book a cruise to Italy. I had the initial 2 covid shots, but refuse to get any boosters. My other half refused to play the vaccine game. I had a light case of covid, and she has never received covid. Now, to book a cruise, if you have had your shots AND A BOOSTER, you are allowed on the cruise ship. If you don't have the covid shots, or the boosters, you must pay $225 to a location 60 minutes away, take the PCR vid test, then jump on a plane for a 12 hour flight, and get the results half a world away, all within 72 hours. It vid shows up, you will need to fly home, with no cruise. Don't these idiots understand that even with the vid shot, people get covid, and can carry it onto the cruise line.

Yes, we are just a bunch or pussy sheeple.