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With all due respect, my father was in INS for 30 years & taught immigration law. I participated in some of the operations involving mass exodus of immigrants so I learned quite a bit about the process and the people who seek asylum.
How do they prove they are in danger? That is where the vetting process kicks in. Highly trained agents interview them & examine whatever documents they brought. They know about the cultures and how to tell if people are lying. The vetting process is very thorough. If their story doesn't line up, they get marked for deportation. My father had someone who claimed to be under political persecution file. Upon interviewing him & his family & reviewing documents, it turned out he actually worked FOR the oppressive regime & was fleeing due to crimes he'd committed. He was deported.
Many of the people in the caravan are from native tribes with languages not spoken in places they are passing through so there may be a lack of communication. Even then, for many just turning back is not an option. They have hope for a better life (or at least a life at all). They are not likely to be treated well in some of the countries they pass through bc some of those governments have the same oppressive practices or just refuse to take them. They don't have the same immigration policies as the US.
Why don't they rise up? Why didn't the Jews and Romani rise up against the Nazis? They are outnumbered and outgunned. This is about survival for them. They would not be making such a long trek if it was not. Many of them will walk barefoot if they have to. There are groups giving them food & clothing this time, but that doesn't mean they are welcome to stay there or that they can safely stay.
They might not all line up to be processed, but in such large numbers they are easy to spot & they may very well believe that lining up is the right thing to do-- it's impossible to know without asking them. But, that is something that can be dealt with when they finally get here-- which won't be anytime soon.
Fox is not an accurate source of info-- they outright lie about things & put a major spin on things & they tend to be very bigoted toward anything but white male Christians. They stir up fear & hatred of minorities and immigrants.
Under current immigration laws, these people can't just go to US Embassies to file for asylum. They have to reach the border & they have been told this. Saying it is illegal for them to come to the border is a catch 22-- it would mean there was no legal way for them to file for asylum & thus it would never hold up in court.
It's all grandstanding and distraction anyway.
It was meant to get people worked in to a tizzy to ignore other issues.
 
Let everyone in that want's to come and build more bridges and freeways where needed. Who cares anyway.

For what it's worth, I'm not against the vetting process or asylum. Sneakin' in and digging under fences isn't the way it's supposed to be done.
 
The Trump/Berlin American wall! First they wall you in on the pretext of keeping out the enemy, bring in the military to police the border,
weapons and then rig the elections.
Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

18 U.S. Code § 1385 - Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus ...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1385

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Highup, I'm not defending or advocating the ones who dig under fences, sneak through tunnels, etc to get in. I want people to come in legally. However, if you are not against asylum, please understand that currently crossing the border and asking officials for asylum is the ONLY way for them to get asylum now. If crossing disqualifies them from applying for asylum then it becomes a catch22 and there is no way for them to get asylum. We don't know what approach this suppose caravan of immigrants plans to take when they arrive. They've gone too far to just stop or turn back. I say let them come and have Border Patrol waiting to greet them. Volunteers can go to help greet them and give out food & clothes.

Aside from my Native American great great grandmother, all of my family members were immigrants who came over on boats to Ellis Island.

Havasu, I remember my father telling me about how law enforcement were shown the full Rodney King video while the news only showed a small clip. I never saw the full one, but he told me that it showed that King was so high on PCP that he was stronger than a normal human being and was not cooperating. He kept repeatedly getting back up and fighting with them and that they finally snapped and started beating him. He still felt that the snapping & level of violence they used was wrong, but that there were some mitigating circumstances in the way he behaved. It's not like some of the videos where the cops start off being violent for no valid reason (which happens down here a LOT) but it became the "poster child" for police brutality. Didn't King die a few years ago?

Another famous case-- the Hurricane Carter one- about the boxer who was supposedly harassed and framed by the cops was one my father talked to me about. He didn't know whether or not the guy was railroaded, but he had met him & said he acted like a thug. Walked around waving a gun around and talking big about how he was going to shoot people. He had a little brother who was special needs and my grandmother was his teacher.
 
Speaking of Rodney King, after his settlement, he bought himself a big ol house in the city in which I currently live. He was such a hot mess, with constant partying, loud music, and drugs, that 3 of his 4 neighbors sold their houses just to get away from him.
Why didn't they just call the cops to give him a refresher course ..:D
 
The Trump/Berlin American wall! First they wall you in on the pretext of keeping out the enemy, bring in the military to police the border,
weapons and then rig the elections.
Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.

18 U.S. Code § 1385 - Use of Army and Air Force as posse comitatus ...

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1385
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Posse? :rolleyes: oh pluleeze.
The military personnel are there in case we have "issues" that might overwhelm the people that are paid to defend out borders........... 10,000 people all at once? You think IF there are problems, that the current border patrol in that area are prepared to deal with a large problem? Maybe so if we take all the border patrol agents from other areas.............. thus leaving those areas totally unprotected.
That's stupid X 10. This is just a safeguard, a "just in case" How do you do a "just in case" after the fact?


Highup, I'm not defending or advocating the ones who dig under fences, sneak through tunnels, etc to get in. I want people to come in legally. However, if you are not against asylum, please understand that currently crossing the border and asking officials for asylum is the ONLY way for them to get asylum now. If crossing disqualifies them from applying for asylum then it becomes a catch22 and there is no way for them to get asylum. We don't know what approach this suppose caravan of immigrants plans to take when they arrive. They've gone too far to just stop or turn back. I say let them come and have Border Patrol waiting to greet them. Volunteers can go to help greet them and give out food & clothes.

Aside from my Native American great great grandmother, all of my family members were immigrants who came over on boats to Ellis Island.

Havasu, I remember my father telling me about how law enforcement were shown the full Rodney King video while the news only showed a small clip. I never saw the full one, but he told me that it showed that King was so high on PCP that he was stronger than a normal human being and was not cooperating. He kept repeatedly getting back up and fighting with them and that they finally snapped and started beating him. He still felt that the snapping & level of violence they used was wrong, but that there were some mitigating circumstances in the way he behaved. It's not like some of the videos where the cops start off being violent for no valid reason (which happens down here a LOT) but it became the "poster child" for police brutality. Didn't King die a few years ago?

Another famous case-- the Hurricane Carter one- about the boxer who was supposedly harassed and framed by the cops was one my father talked to me about. He didn't know whether or not the guy was railroaded, but he had met him & said he acted like a thug. Walked around waving a gun around and talking big about how he was going to shoot people. He had a little brother who was special needs and my grandmother was his teacher.
I'm confused zannej.............. people have to illegally cross into the United States to apply for asylum?

This entire issue is a non issue.
......People in a strange mass migration are coming to the US.
......we are adding additional security in case the system gets overwhelmed.
....asylum seekers will apply for asylum, so that's the problem?

So, what exactly is the problem? Problem is the Democrats playing the game and the media adding fuel to it. Leading up to the mid terms. None of this was by accident. The timing us a bit too obvious.
I don't hate immigrants nor asylum seekers. I do however like the border being protected.
Why all the hysteria over this? Trump hating snowflakes are responsible. ..........making an issue out of an issue that hasn't even happened.
 
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I'm kind blown away over the immigration/border wall/ border security/imigration policies.
I'm getting the message many people want totally open borders with no border patrol or law enforcement along the border....... you know, totally open borders so anyone and any amount of people from anywhere can just come here
....................................if they really really want to. o_O
I'm not religious, but .................GOD help us all.
 

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