What did you do today?

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Zan "I get what you're saying, but the people have the right to protest & should not be treated with violence while being peaceful. What else would you have them do when no one listens to them? Many of them try to go to court & get dismissed. If they don't protest then it doesn't raise awareness of the issues as much. They shouldn't have to stop protesting just because..."

If I knew protesting would draw violent idiots, resulting in business being looted and burned.... then you have to make a choice.

 

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Most of the "protests" have become looting, arson and murder. They shot 4 cops in St Louis last night.

Hating cops is equivalent to racism.

 

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This is going to help stop police brutality and make everyone remember George.... what's his name again.
https://www.carscoops.com/2020/06/s...ca-dealer-including-nearly-every-80k-hellcat/

 

[zannej]

A lot of these protesters did NOT know it would bring riots & violence. Many of the ones being violent turned out to be from a white supremacist group anyway-- their purpose was to make people think that peaceful protests shouldn't be allowed & turn people against the protesters. They still have the right to protest peacefully without being violently attacked by police & military. It still doesn't change the fact that if they don't protest, no one will hear them & these sorts of murders will keep happening.

I've done nothing but nap and eat chicken noodle soup & play on the internet today.

 

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Yeah thats what we do so its just the way I read that sentence
Some guys here cut everything in dry then when they dropped it into the glue the vinyl ended up in slightly different place causing gaps eveywhere

Well Jon. After waiting weeks for matching camo weld rod, I was told last week that Tarkette closed down for three weeks so it never got shipped.
Now I find out they ship via a special carrier. I need 10 feet of weld rod, but have to buy an entire 165' roll of it. $58 for the roll of welding rod plus $52 shipping cost.
I think I'm going to do a 2" saddle seam and chemical weld them. Never messing with this commercial vinyl again. If they had a seam adhesive like Armstrong did (S-200), seams wouldn't shrink. This stinks.

 

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Well, I changed my mind. I decided to cut a small sliver of vinyl and insert it into the seam to fill the gap. Very time consuming tayloring the the narrow sliver of vinyl to fit neatly into the gap. It's 1/16" wide or less... most is less than that, none is wider than that.
I cleaned and vacuumed out any accumulated dirt that might have fallen into the gap.
It took a long time to fit these narrow slivers of vinyl. I pulled the skinny strips though a utility knife blade over and over, scraping off miniscule amounts of material until it fit neatly into the gap. Then I put masking tape on the edges of the seam so the sealer didn't melt into the finish.
I applied the PVC sealer down into the gap, then immediately started inserting the skinny ribbon of flooring into the gap. This ribbon of vinyl melted or fused quickly so it couldn't be fully inserted. Pretty close tho.
I pulled off the tape, cleaned off the excess sealer with alcohol and rolled the seam area with my steel seam roller. It fused or melted so fast there is 1/32nd of an inch of my filler strip still protruding above the rest of the flooring. I'm borrowing a seam skiving knife
(part of a heat welding kit) tomorrow to see how neatly it will trim this excess material flush with the flooring. I'm thinking this will work out pretty nice.
I am a bit PO'd that any manufacturer these days makes a commercial material that expands an contracts so easily with varying room temperature.
I mean, I had this flooring unrolled and layed out flat in the living room floor for two days maybe three before I installed it. The place was warm. The actual floor temperature was 74 degrees. A week later after the hardwood floor guy was out of there, I arrived to see these gaps in the seams...... the heat was off.
Jonsonite says to wait at least 2 1/2 hours to chemically seal the seam...... they do not add to seal the seam within a certain period of time.
It hasn't continued shrinking. The gap opened up within a few days and hasn't changed in weeks.

 

[Jon]

Well, I changed my mind. I decided to cut a small sliver of vinyl and insert it into the seam to fill the gap. Very time consuming tayloring the the narrow sliver of vinyl to fit neatly into the gap. It's 1/16" wide or less... most is less than that, none is wider than that.
I cleaned and vacuumed out any accumulated dirt that might have fallen into the gap.
It took a long time to fit these narrow slivers of vinyl. I pulled the skinny strips though a utility knife blade over and over, scraping off miniscule amounts of material until it fit neatly into the gap. Then I put masking tape on the edges of the seam so the sealer didn't melt into the finish.
I applied the PVC sealer down into the gap, then immediately started inserting the skinny ribbon of flooring into the gap. This ribbon of vinyl melted or fused quickly so it couldn't be fully inserted. Pretty close tho.
I pulled off the tape, cleaned off the excess sealer with alcohol and rolled the seam area with my steel seam roller. It fused or melted so fast there is 1/32nd of an inch of my filler strip still protruding above the rest of the flooring. I'm borrowing a seam skiving knife
(part of a heat welding kit) tomorrow to see how neatly it will trim this excess material flush with the flooring. I'm thinking this will work out pretty nice.
I am a bit PO'd that any manufacturer these days makes a commercial material that expands an contracts so easily with varying room temperature.
I mean, I had this flooring unrolled and layed out flat in the living room floor for two days maybe three before I installed it. The place was warm. The actual floor temperature was 74 degrees. A week later after the hardwood floor guy was out of there, I arrived to see these gaps in the seams...... the heat was off.
Jonsonite says to wait at least 2 1/2 hours to chemically seal the seam...... they do not add to seal the seam within a certain period of time.
It hasn't continued shrinking. The gap opened up within a few days and hasn't changed in weeks.

I think if you had sealed it after that 2 1/2 hours we might not be having this conversation as per
I would presume the time they mention is for the glue to dry. It should be much the same with heat welding so the heat doesnt draw the wet glue into the join. We never wait, just make sure there is not wet glue in the join
Jonsonite says to wait at least 2 1/2 hours to chemically seal the seam...... they do not add to seal the seam within a certain period of time
If you can get one of these as they are fairly good
https://www.lookfloors.co.nz/product/247/c80-weld-rod-vinyl-trimming-knife-mozartWhat I would be doing is getting a NEW snap off knife blade extended to the full lenght trimming of the excess on a floor which you have just wet with a decent length of rag so that the blade slides over the floor

 

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I'll find out tomorrow if his knife looks like that or the older half Moon shape. Water lines the blade?
I finished the seams at 7pm on a Sunday. Wood floor re finisher arrived early Monday morning and took over the house. I knew that was scheduled for Monday.
I came back a week later to gaps.
If they said wait a minimum of two and a half hours they should have also included a maximum number of hours.
This material laid flat in a warm house for 3 days
I installed it and the seams look good then after a week it shrunk.
What I am doing is tedious but looks quite doable. I'm not concerned with how much time it takes me. Just want this job to be done and the customer happy.
Right now if I heat the area surrounding the same about a foot in each direction, the seam will close halfway up. If I heated it more, maybe it would close all the way up. But then I would probably have to keep the seam constanly warm for a couple hours until the seam sealant totally cured. Once cooled, there would be a lot of tension on that cold welded seam.

 

[Jon]

I'll find out tomorrow if his knife looks like that or the older half Moon shape. Water lines the blade?
I finished the seams at 7pm on a Sunday. Wood floor re finisher arrived early Monday morning and took over the house. I knew that was scheduled for Monday.
I came back a week later to gaps.
If they said wait a minimum of two and a half hours they should have also included a maximum number of hours.
This material laid flat in a warm house for 3 days
I installed it and the seams look good then after a week it shrunk.
What I am doing is tedious but looks quite doable. I'm not concerned with how much time it takes me. Just want this job to be done and the customer happy.
Right now if I heat the area surrounding the same about a foot in each direction, the seam will close halfway up. If I heated it more, maybe it would close all the way up. But then I would probably have to keep the seam constanly warm for a couple hours until the seam sealant totally cured. Once cooled, there would be a lot of tension on that cold welded seam.

Seems to me if you can react the vinyl to close the gap the glue hasnt crabbed the vinyl which is why it has shrunk that little The glue we use you wouldnt be able to stretch it over once the glue has dried
The damp floor makes the cutting off blade slide better. The damp rag works well on heat welding Marmo, cools the weld then slides better when trimming off that weld

 

[zannej]

Hope the seam stays sealed & doesn't show, Highup.
I just found out that my best friend's crackhead mother may have exposed us both to Covid. She had him driving her all over the place & then asked me for a lift. She never once mentioned that she'd spent a great deal of time at a church that just got shut down due to a Covid outbreak. At least 10 people tested positive there. That was a few days ago & she just mentioned it to my friend last night after she had him give her a lift. He's been ordered to stay home until the results for his covid test come in. If he tests positive I'll ask my doctor about getting tested. I've had a cough the last few days although it's most likely a combination of weather, allergies, and my sinuses. But I'm still going to take precautions and not risk spreading anything if I've been exposed. Still pisses me off that his mother was that inconsiderate. But then, she often rips him off, steals from people, and does drugs so she's not exactly the most moral person.

 

[Floorist]

Hope you are ok. I just don't understand having church services during the Covid pandemic.

If they really followed the Bible



Matthew 6:5-6 New International Version (NIV)

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

 

[Floorist]

To be honest, I am not a religious person, but I have studied several religions. Did you know that there are over 300 recognized religions?

 

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That's the reason I too don't have any strong religious feelings. Which one is the right one and why. I'll stick with worshipping in the hills where people are few and far between...... I don't think bears are carriers.
Hope you get your test Zan.

 

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Seems to me if you can react the vinyl to close the gap the glue hasnt crabbed the vinyl which is why it has shrunk that little The glue we use you wouldnt be able to stretch it over once the glue has dried
The damp floor makes the cutting off blade slide better. The damp rag works well on heat welding Marmo, cools the weld then slides better when trimming off that weld

I used the manufacturers adhesive made for that material. Dries a bit rubbery and stays a little tacky. I haven't seen an adhesive in the past 15 years that dries hard..... epoxy does, but I've never used that.

 

[Floorist]

That's the reason I too don't have any strong religious feelings. Which one is the right one and why. I'll stick with worshipping in the hills where people are few and far between...... I don't think bears are carriers.
Hope you get your test Zan.

Many people go to church to be seen. I grew up as a regular In a Baptist church. Then when I started actually studying religions, I realized that most preachers don't follow their Bible, in fact most don't what it actually says.

 

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They interpret it.

 

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Ok Jon, gaining. Here's what I did in 2 hours yesterday.

 

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4 hours today... got another 4 1/2 feet done.

 

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Here's what the cold welded seam looks like after installing and before trimming. I'll trim it flush tomorrow after the sealer had cured.
Sealer puffs it up as it almost liquifies the skinny fill strip I inserted into the gap. Its about 1/32nd above the vinyl surface.
.... how skinny you ask?
'bout this skinny.
I just kept slicing slivers of material by eyeballing it, then check to see which one fits. Takes a few tries at it to get a keeper. You can only get around 15 inches to fit snugly, so it's a slow process.
It's going to turn out less visible that using the matching camo rod, so I'm feeling really good about this fix.

 

[Jon]

I dont know of that seam sealer we only get
Werner Muller Seam Sealer (Type C) 44gram Cold Weld Vinyl Liquid
It used to have on the instructions For poorly cut seams. It does actually fill gaps but does leave a "snail" trail
Heat weld doesnt look good unless you can get the newer type with the little lumps on it which blends in
Re the glue you use as compared to ours I wonder if ours "grips" the vinyl more as I cant see the vinyl stretching after the glue has dried with heat as you mentioned earlier
I wonder how you go with the trimming of the excess? Maybe try that snap off blade trick I mentioned as you will not find anything sharper than a NEW BLADE, watch the handle of the knife doesnt mark the vinyl as you are holding the blade against the vinyl. Just bend the blade enough to keep the handle off the vinyl. A lot of guys here just use the snap off blades for trimming the heat weld but the joins have to be really flat otherwise one will trim little bits off the surface of any lumpy bits standing up. White bits of the backing dont look good where the vinyl wear layer has been trimmed off This is were those Mozat trimmers are good