Discussing politics and religion

[Nick]

He did a number on this Country today ..

 

[zannej]

Some of my friends that defended Trump at every step were enraged at his behavior in Helsinki. He just alienated many people.
He showed very clearly where his loyalties are-- to Putin. Of course he doesn't want to say anything negative about the person who put him in power.

 

[highup]

And Nick thinks I drink Koolaide.
Even Mueller and everyone investigating said Russia meddled but didn't influence the outcome of the election. They meddled in the previous elections too and Obama didn't care.
He knew they were hacking and he didn't care.
Naw, from what I read, his performance wasn't what was expected.
...........one note to mention, this summit was not about the Russian meddling. The media and Muellers team turned it into that. This Russian indictment was announced by Mueller's team on Friday, just prior to the Trump/Putin summit. They have been working on this hacking for a year and a half, possibly for years, and suddenly on Friday just before the Monday summit they let this fart squeak out. It was by design, nothing less.

 

[Jon]

Your president seems to be getting strange news reports down this way
You can keep him for yourselves

 

[Nick]

They didn't want him to go .. That was put out as a warning to him .. First president to bash his own Country, and take sides with a Adversary ..
Even a Fox reporter bash him .. I think you get the Popsicles to Hi .. I have to get me a rose colored glasses to ..

 

[highup]

They didn't want him to go .. That was put out as a warning to him .. First president to bash his own Country, and take sides with a Adversary ..
Even a Fox reporter bash him .. I think you get the Popsicles to Hi .. I have to get me a rose colored glasses to ..

I'm certainly not going to defend what he said. I think everyone is shocked. He could have simply said: "we discussed it" , and left it at that.
I think he had other things he wanted to talk about with Putin such as Iran, North Korea and nuclear issues with them and us, ...and then at the 11th hour the Russian indictments got tossed into the mix, something that wouldn't fit in to his planned talks. I think he was a bit pissed because of that distraction.
Trump's supposed to be on Hannity tonight. Let me know how well he explains the wording of his comments. I'd watch but I don't have cable.

 

[highup]

The Russians are behind most of these internet scams too. They make billions that way.

We need to get into that Rusty. I need tires, gas................... another van.

 

[Nick]

He had a interview with him right after the Summit.. I don't care if he was Pissed.. He Disgraced the Office and the Country ..
He needs to go .. Sorry Buddy , I don't watch that lieing Hannity ..

 

[Floorist]

The U.S. government paid roughly $65,000 for housing and accommodations for staffers at President Trump's Turnberry golf resort, The Scotsman reported Tuesday.

The news outlet, citing government spending records, found that the State Department paid roughly 52,000 pounds - or $65,000 - to SLC Turnberry Limited, which is registered with a company whose directors include Eric Trump and Donald Trump Jr

 

[Nick]

And they find the need to keep raising gas prices ..

 

[highup]

There are some very good reasons to raise gas prices.........summer, fall, winter and spring.
......holidays, non holidays, Fridays.
Gas prices here haven't changes for 3 weeks. Before that they remained dead steady for a month. I'd have to check, but I think we've gone from $3.18 to $3.23 since late May.

 

[highup]

If your waiting for me to defend his statement, I really can't. Best I can guess is he's excessively focused on Mueller's investigation 24/7.
He needs to relax since nothing is going to come from it even if the investigation takes another 5 years which wouldn't surprise me.

 

[zannej]

Trump was briefed about Russian interference prior to his inauguration. He was also briefed on it with very specific proof multiple times-- and even given some classified information and later Russian officials started dying (could be unrelated, but you never know). Also, Mueller never confirmed absolutely that the Russian interference didn't affect the outcome of the election, just that they don't know the full scope of how much it affected it. The propaganda did affect how people voted, and there was mass voter suppression. I know people who weren't able to vote because their voter registration info was hacked & changed. The last time I checked, my own voter registration data had been altered and I did not make/authorize any changes (they changed my party affiliation).
Being focused on the Mueller investigation is no excuse or reason for Trump to back Putin & refuse to accept that there is ongoing interference in our elections. Our counterintelligence agencies need funding and specific approval from Trump in order to take action to protect ourselves from future hacking/interference. Trump refuses to give any approval. The only reason for this is because he doesn't want the interference to stop. He doesn't want there to be any chance of the Democrats winning in November. I don't know if they would, but I think it is a very real fear for him. He's publicly stated that if he doesn't want them to win. He's afraid that the Democrats will impeach him if they take back more power. He's more concerned with himself than with the good of our nation.
Trump throwing the US under the bus and deferring to Putin is bad enough, but the fact that he even entertained the idea of trying to send McFaul & other US citizens over to Russia for interrogation in exchange for Russia supposedly allowing their indicted spies to be interviewed (in Russia) is just outrageous. No decent legitimate president would have even considered that as an option. But Trump seemed to think it was a great idea. And Trump wanting to work with Russia to improve our cybersecurity is akin to asking the fox to guard the henhouse.
Both Putin & Kim are murderous dictators who can't be trusted-- yet Trump defends them while crapping on our allies. If he truly believes they are "fine" or whatever adjective he uses to defend/praise them, then he has serious judgment issues and is not qualified to be president. I personally suspect that he's the Manchurian candidate and that even IF the Russian interference did not provably affect the outcome of the election, the Russians still made a bid to help him and he's still beholden to them. Plus, they likely have some serious "kompromat" on him-- as I've said before. You may think I'm crazy, but I think time will tell and he'll go down in history as a traitor.

 

[Floorist]

That new soda tax in Seattle is crazy. Saw today, a case of Dr Pepper is $17.55.

 

[highup]

Not as crazy as California.
You can check out any time you like...... but you can never leave.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018...are-irrelevant-cant-even-vote-on-breakup.html

 

[highup]

I just looked up that Tax Rusty.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...ore-than-4m-from-new-tax-on-sugary-beverages/
How come no doughnut, cake, candy bar, pudding, sugary breakfast serial, ice cream, milkshake taxes,
How about fatty foods? ...potato chips, french fries, pizza, bacon.
The revenues are endless.

 

[highup]

Trump was briefed about Russian interference prior to his inauguration. He was also briefed on it with very specific proof multiple times-- and even given some classified information and later Russian officials started dying (could be unrelated, but you never know). Also, Mueller never confirmed absolutely that the Russian interference didn't affect the outcome of the election, just that they don't know the full scope of how much it affected it. The propaganda did affect how people voted, and there was mass voter suppression. I know people who weren't able to vote because their voter registration info was hacked & changed. The last time I checked, my own voter registration data had been altered and I did not make/authorize any changes (they changed my party affiliation).
Being focused on the Mueller investigation is no excuse or reason for Trump to back Putin & refuse to accept that there is ongoing interference in our elections. Our counterintelligence agencies need funding and specific approval from Trump in order to take action to protect ourselves from future hacking/interference. Trump refuses to give any approval. The only reason for this is because he doesn't want the interference to stop. He doesn't want there to be any chance of the Democrats winning in November. I don't know if they would, but I think it is a very real fear for him. He's publicly stated that if he doesn't want them to win. He's afraid that the Democrats will impeach him if they take back more power. He's more concerned with himself than with the good of our nation.
Trump throwing the US under the bus and deferring to Putin is bad enough, but the fact that he even entertained the idea of trying to send McFaul & other US citizens over to Russia for interrogation in exchange for Russia supposedly allowing their indicted spies to be interviewed (in Russia) is just outrageous. No decent legitimate president would have even considered that as an option. But Trump seemed to think it was a great idea. And Trump wanting to work with Russia to improve our cybersecurity is akin to asking the fox to guard the henhouse.
Both Putin & Kim are murderous dictators who can't be trusted-- yet Trump defends them while crapping on our allies. If he truly believes they are "fine" or whatever adjective he uses to defend/praise them, then he has serious judgment issues and is not qualified to be president. I personally suspect that he's the Manchurian candidate and that even IF the Russian interference did not provably affect the outcome of the election, the Russians still made a bid to help him and he's still beholden to them. Plus, they likely have some serious "kompromat" on him-- as I've said before. You may think I'm crazy, but I think time will tell and he'll go down in history as a traitor.

Mistakes and all, you do realize he's getting voted in for a second term in a larger margin that the first election.
Democrats (I'm speaking about the elected members) need to step back and take a hard look at themselves and make an attempt to see what they look like from the voters perspective. They're only function seems to be hating Trump and the people that voted for him and welcoming with open arms, people who sneak across the desert to "seek a better life". Their childish ranting is like the election was yesterday. They still have no idea why they lost, and they think bashing Trump is a good party platform. Bernie and the socialists are gonna doom the Democratic party. Republicans won't shift to the socialist (independent ) party, but PO'd Democrats will.

 

[Nick]

He just may if he is not in Jail before then ..

 

[Nick]

 

[Nick]

I think Putin has something on him he don't want out .. Why is he the only press that won't show his tax returns ..